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[PsychoKat 0]

And if we did evolve from something then why aren't we still seeing humans evolve from whatever it was we evolved frm ni the beginning?

BUT BUT BUT...

I never had wisdom teeth, there was never anything there. Everyone has wisdom teeth...but me.

I thought I was evolution in progress...

Or...maybe....I'm

A MUTANT!

On the serious side of that though, I have heard in the past but I don't know how valid it is, that there are people being born without things like wisdom teeth and appendix, things that were used many years in the past because of diet, but that have no use now, and often end up being more harm than good to people.

[Jenn! 918]

I guess there's always that thought too that if you live your life like there is a God and he exists and in the end you find out he doesn't, you lose nothing but if you live your life claiming there is no God then find out there is, you could lose everything ....

Yeah, but you can't pretend you believe something that you don't. At least I can't.

[*Robert* 2]

How do explain all the archeological finds? Even now they have fossil remains predating Neanderthal man.

Evolution is a scientific fact, and it continues to occur. Darwins theories have NEVER been disproved, though many have tried.

As to how man truly evolved, that's another missing piece of the scientific puzzle.

I have no problem with science. I have mentioned this before but scientists have been wrong in the past and continue to be wrong to this day. The problem with men trying to explain God is that men can't understand God so how can they possibly explain Him?

God sent down books to explain what He wanted us to know or what we are capable of understanding. There are many things in the Quran that were explained or mentioned there over 1400 years ago that your scientists have just come to realize now which is my "scientific proof" that the Quran is God's words. I'll take God's explaination over some man's any day.

Quran = Old Testament = Torah

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

You are taking man's explanation; you just chose to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll take science over superstitions and stories any day.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Yeah, but you can't pretend you believe something that you don't. At least I can't.

You have a very valid point here. Religion is not something that can be forced on anyone. However, I believe that God only guides those who really want to come to Him. If you spend your life denying Him you can't be angry with Him when you find yourself in front of Him. I wholeheartedly believe that if any person prays to God with sincerety and without any pride or arrogance and asks to be guided to the truth God will send it to them and that person will believe out of their own free will.

[CanGal 1]

Yeah, but you can't pretend you believe something that you don't

That is true, which is why I said it was a thought. I would find that difficult as well.

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

The Bible (Basic instructions before leaving earth :-p haha) is not a collection of stories, fables, myths, or merely human ideas about God. It is not a human book. Through the Holy Spirit, God revealed his person and plan to godly men, who wrote down God's message for his people (2 Peter 1:20-21). This process is known as Inspriration. The writers wrote from their own personal, historical, and cultural contexts. Yet, though they used their own minds, talents, languages, and styles, they wrote what God wanted them to write. Scripture is completely trustworthy because God was in control of it's writing. Its words are authoritative for out faith and our lives. It isn't a historical book, it's a book to help change you very life. Why does God need to write another book? Everything we ever need to know is in this one book. The book is our love letter from God. Our instructions on how to live our lives here on earth. Thats what I believe though I know your gonna comment or someone is once again and state that many of you don't find the Bible credible. I know I know, but thats just how I see it.

[Veiled Princess 1]

How do explain all the archeological finds? Even now they have fossil remains predating Neanderthal man.

Evolution is a scientific fact, and it continues to occur. Darwins theories have NEVER been disproved, though many have tried.

As to how man truly evolved, that's another missing piece of the scientific puzzle.

I have no problem with science. I have mentioned this before but scientists have been wrong in the past and continue to be wrong to this day. The problem with men trying to explain God is that men can't understand God so how can they possibly explain Him?

God sent down books to explain what He wanted us to know or what we are capable of understanding. There are many things in the Quran that were explained or mentioned there over 1400 years ago that your scientists have just come to realize now which is my "scientific proof" that the Quran is God's words. I'll take God's explaination over some man's any day.

Quran = Old Testament = Torah

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

You are taking man's explanation; you just chose to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll take science over superstitions and stories any day.

You have obviously not read the Quran. The message is the same in the torah as it is in the new testament and the Quran but the Quran is the only one that has not been altered by men. Let me ask you this... how did Muhammad write the Quran? Or read the scrolls you claim he took it from? He was illiterated. In his whole life he never learned to read or write. It is thereby impossible that he could have written it. How could he have explained details about creation that no man in that time knew and have only discovered recently? The Quran was delivered to him, by the angel Gabriel, straight from God and has been preserved and remained fully intact since that time. (Even in the original language it was sent it)

[CanGal 1]

If you spend your life denying Him you can't be angry with Him when you find yourself in front of Him

True as well ...

[Chuckles 0]

How do explain all the archeological finds? Even now they have fossil remains predating Neanderthal man.

Evolution is a scientific fact, and it continues to occur. Darwins theories have NEVER been disproved, though many have tried.

As to how man truly evolved, that's another missing piece of the scientific puzzle.

I have no problem with science. I have mentioned this before but scientists have been wrong in the past and continue to be wrong to this day. The problem with men trying to explain God is that men can't understand God so how can they possibly explain Him?

God sent down books to explain what He wanted us to know or what we are capable of understanding. There are many things in the Quran that were explained or mentioned there over 1400 years ago that your scientists have just come to realize now which is my "scientific proof" that the Quran is God's words. I'll take God's explaination over some man's any day.

Quran = Old Testament = Torah

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

You are taking man's explanation; you just chose to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll take science over superstitions and stories any day.

You have obviously not read the Quran. The message is the same in the torah as it is in the new testament and the Quran but the Quran is the only one that has not been altered by men. Let me ask you this... how did Muhammad write the Quran? Or read the scrolls you claim he took it from? He was illiterated. In his whole life he never learned to read or write. It is thereby impossible that he could have written it. How could he have explained details about creation that no man in that time knew and have only discovered recently? The Quran was delivered to him, by the angel Gabriel, straight from God and has been preserved and remained fully intact since that time. (Even in the original language it was sent it)

There are much intolerance, injustices, conflicts with known history and known science, and absurdities in the Quran as in the Bible.

Why would got send this imperfect text to us through an Angel? Why not send a perfect one? Unless man had his nasty little hands in it... changing a word here and there. Don't you agree?

[gimygirl 0]

funny thing about religious folk ... they actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history ... they feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

those who follow the bible LOVE to say that their god is just and has given us free will ... odd that an all-loving and tolerant god would damn his children to an eternal life in hell for a finite numbers of 'sins' committed while alive. as for free will ... the same argument could be used to justify the sending of jews to the concentration camps ... they chose on their own not to give in to Hitler, so they chose death. right?? since the inmates chose this course of action, why should the nazi's be blamed?? with that logic in mind, why should we blame god for the choice of the damned? doesn't quite work for you does it??

what confuses me has always been: why is the bible correct?? oh wait, or is it the torah ... quran maybe? odd that you only follow the book of your faith, which you believe has the 'right' god. and it's your faith which allows you to blindly follow an outdated 2000 year old book which man wrote. jesus was just the hero of their time ... there are many similarities between mythological heroes (Horus, Osiris/Dionysus, Krishna) and jesus.

anyway ... *wonders why i enter these debates*

[Veiled Princess 1]

How do explain all the archeological finds? Even now they have fossil remains predating Neanderthal man.

Evolution is a scientific fact, and it continues to occur. Darwins theories have NEVER been disproved, though many have tried.

As to how man truly evolved, that's another missing piece of the scientific puzzle.

I have no problem with science. I have mentioned this before but scientists have been wrong in the past and continue to be wrong to this day. The problem with men trying to explain God is that men can't understand God so how can they possibly explain Him?

God sent down books to explain what He wanted us to know or what we are capable of understanding. There are many things in the Quran that were explained or mentioned there over 1400 years ago that your scientists have just come to realize now which is my "scientific proof" that the Quran is God's words. I'll take God's explaination over some man's any day.

Quran = Old Testament = Torah

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

You are taking man's explanation; you just chose to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll take science over superstitions and stories any day.

You have obviously not read the Quran. The message is the same in the torah as it is in the new testament and the Quran but the Quran is the only one that has not been altered by men. Let me ask you this... how did Muhammad write the Quran? Or read the scrolls you claim he took it from? He was illiterated. In his whole life he never learned to read or write. It is thereby impossible that he could have written it. How could he have explained details about creation that no man in that time knew and have only discovered recently? The Quran was delivered to him, by the angel Gabriel, straight from God and has been preserved and remained fully intact since that time. (Even in the original language it was sent it)

There are much intolerance, injustices, conflicts with known history and known science, and absurdities in the Quran as in the Bible.

Why would got send this imperfect text to us through an Angel? Why not send a perfect one? Unless man had his nasty little hands in it... changing a word here and there. Don't you agree?

The Quran is perfect. There are none of those things you mentioned in the Quran.

[Chuckles 0]

How do explain all the archeological finds? Even now they have fossil remains predating Neanderthal man.

Evolution is a scientific fact, and it continues to occur. Darwins theories have NEVER been disproved, though many have tried.

As to how man truly evolved, that's another missing piece of the scientific puzzle.

I have no problem with science. I have mentioned this before but scientists have been wrong in the past and continue to be wrong to this day. The problem with men trying to explain God is that men can't understand God so how can they possibly explain Him?

God sent down books to explain what He wanted us to know or what we are capable of understanding. There are many things in the Quran that were explained or mentioned there over 1400 years ago that your scientists have just come to realize now which is my "scientific proof" that the Quran is God's words. I'll take God's explaination over some man's any day.

Quran = Old Testament = Torah

The same words, all of which were written by MEN. God did not write those words, men did. Men then translated those words from many different scrolls, and then bound them together. If it was so easy for God to write books and give them to men... why has he stopped writing? Can't get on the Best Seller list?

You are taking man's explanation; you just chose to believe otherwise.

Meanwhile, I'll take science over superstitions and stories any day.

You have obviously not read the Quran. The message is the same in the torah as it is in the new testament and the Quran but the Quran is the only one that has not been altered by men. Let me ask you this... how did Muhammad write the Quran? Or read the scrolls you claim he took it from? He was illiterated. In his whole life he never learned to read or write. It is thereby impossible that he could have written it. How could he have explained details about creation that no man in that time knew and have only discovered recently? The Quran was delivered to him, by the angel Gabriel, straight from God and has been preserved and remained fully intact since that time. (Even in the original language it was sent it)

There are much intolerance, injustices, conflicts with known history and known science, and absurdities in the Quran as in the Bible.

Why would got send this imperfect text to us through an Angel? Why not send a perfect one? Unless man had his nasty little hands in it... changing a word here and there. Don't you agree?

The Quran is perfect. There are none of those things you mentioned in the Quran.

Quotations and references taken from the Quran:

The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90

Most scholars consider Dhu'l-Qarneyn ("The Two-Horned Lord") to be Alexander the Great, who is here presented as a devout Muslim. 18:83-98

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29

The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61

Solomon was taught the language of birds. 27:16

Talking ants! 27:18 Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving. Talking ants!

27:19 And (Solomon) smiled, laughing at her speech, and said: My Lord, arouse me to be thankful for Thy favour wherewith Thou hast favoured me and my parents, and to do good that shall be pleasing unto Thee, and include me i n (the number of) Thy righteous slaves. Solomon talks to the ants.

27:20 And he sought among the birds and said: How is it that I see not the hoopoe, or is he among the absent ? Solomon is upset that the hoopee is not among the birds in his army.

27:21 I verily will punish him with hard punishment or I verily will slay him, or he verily shall bring me a plain excuse.

Who chooses the devils to be the friends of disbelievers? Allah The disbelievers 7:27

We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not. 7:30 A party hath He led aright, while error hath just hold over (another) party, for lo! they choose the devils for protecting supporters instead of Allah and deem that they are rightly guided.

Who was the first Muslim? Abraham/Jacob. Moses. Muhammad. 2:132 The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him). 7:143 And Moses fell down senseless. And when he woke he said: Glory unto Thee! I turn unto Thee repentant, and I am the first of (true) believers. 39:12 And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him).

Do you deny these things? If so, isn't that like denying your nose is located on your face?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Only nature knows neither memory nor history. But man. . .is the story-telling animal. Wherever he goes he wants to leave behind not a chaotic wake, not an empty space, but the comforting markerbuouys and trail-signs of stories."

Graham Swift, Waterland

In other words, its in the nature of humanity to tell stories. In practice, we want others to hear our stories, while ignoring the stories of others.

This is certainly true of religion.

[gimygirl 0]

The Quran is perfect. There are none of those things you mentioned in the Quran.

so your essentially telling followers of the bible ... that the bible is wrong and the quran is perfect. the islamic creed, ‘La ilaaha (there is no God) il lallah (BUT ALLAH) ... since they don't believe in your god they will be eternally damned ... yet they think if you don't believe in their god, YOU are eternally damned!!! my we are in a pickle here!!! although, i heard he's an all-loving, forgiving, just god - someone's bound to get lucky somewhere!

[*Robert* 2]

I love it! A Christian and a Muslim arguing for the same God, yet so dynamically opposed to each other’s religion. If we only had someone of the Jewish faith involved in this discussion, the circle would be complete. All believing in the same God and the same founding patriarch, Abraham, father of Isaac and Ishmael. Yet all three of these religions cannot accept each other. Another one of God's little "jokes" perhaps? How many lives have been lost in religious wars? If religion is so good, why does it cause so many problems? Why is one religion better than another? I guess the silliest religious wars to me are between the Christians and the Catholics in Ireland. They not only believe in the same God, but they also believe in Christ, yet they would rather see the other religion wiped off the face of the planet.

[Chuckles 0]

The Quran is perfect. There are none of those things you mentioned in the Quran.

so your essentially telling followers of the bible ... that the bible is wrong and the quran is perfect. the islamic creed, ‘La ilaaha (there is no God) il lallah (BUT ALLAH) ... since they don't believe in your god they will be eternally damned ... yet they think if you don't believe in their god, YOU are eternally damned!!! my we are in a pickle here!!! although, i heard he's an all-loving, forgiving, just god - someone's bound to get lucky somewhere!

I underwent a conversion to Islam recently so I must respond with this:

Shut up you foul woman!! How dare you speak out of turn!! One more word and I shall take you captive and make you part of my harem... Afterall it is my right as a muslim man according to the Quran !!!

Oh wait... I'm unconverted now... Sorry carry on.