Stats on deaths in America

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Wow, someone here harbors not much love for whites, it seems.

What you fail to mention is that while 43% of murderers are white, here's the part you either left out, or fail to see:

According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%.

The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.

This is because there are fewer blacks than whites in the US today. 63% white, 17% black. There are 3.7 times more whites than blacks in the population, yet blacks commit almost 8 times more murders than whites. To put that into perspective for you, if the population were evenly divided, blacks would murder 23 people for every 1 person who was killed by a white person.

Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.

Can you see that number at the far right? 93% of blacks are killed by blacks. Yet here we are, arguing that whites are keeping blacks down, killing them wantonly... Yet the numbers don't add up. 16% of the white population are killed by non-whites. 7% of the black population are killed by non-blacks. Those are hard facts. Available on the DOJ as well as other sites. There are not very many blacks being killed by whites. Ergo, it is NOT a race issue that is causing blacks to die. It is infighting, plain and simple. (Mostly)

What sounds stupid to me is people trying to say that race is the main factor whenever a black person is killed. It's hardly ever the case, at least in the reported cases. Cannot possibly be, since only 7% of blacks are killed by non-blacks (hispanics, whites, asians, other).

And not sure I buy into the idea that the police are out of control, wantonly killing innocent people. Does it happen sometimes? Sure. And it needs to be stopped anytime it happens. Cops should go to jail just like the rest of us common folk when they kill inappropriately. That's what our justice system SHOULD be doing.

But here's the rub... Gun homicides are down. Have been going down for years. Sure, we hear about every single one (well, not quite, but nearly so) due to the media and the Internet today. But the numbers keep going down, as does violent crime in general. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/

1, quoting Trump stats when I'm quoting FBI is unbelievable, stop it. Trump sits his naked butt on a puddle of water and gets his statistics from the leftover water dripping from his dumb butt.

2, don't talk about proportional statistics. Because when black people point out proportional statistics on cops killing black people, people like you say it doesn't count. Cause also when we look at Muslims you all are quick to forget they commit the least amount of crime in the U.S.

3, here's the only question that matters. If YOU were to be wrongfully killed by the police today, would you want your family to seek justice for you, or is it okay for your family to not seek justice for you because 84% of white people are killed by other white people?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

(1) I have no idea what a "Trump stat" is. I got mine from DOJ, CDC, and Wiki.

(2) Ignoring proportional statistics might be beneficial in some ways, but it doesn't tell the whole story. It is often necessary to quantify the comparison. For example, 100% of the women in your house are black. But only 50% of the blacks in your house are women. I can use either number to represent you. Proportionally, you are 50% of your household. If you want to distinguish between violent crimes by race, then you MUST use proportions. The same goes for gender.

...during the 2012/2013 period, blacks committed an average of 560,600 violent crimes against whites, whereas whites committed only 99,403 such crimes against blacks.

(BTW, that's not a "Trump stat". http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/ )

In the chart linked above, whites committed violent crime against blacks 99,403 times (2012/2013). Blacks committed violent crime against whites 560,000 times. Those are RAW NUMBERS. But their very being causes a proportion to be quantified. Just because it's a proportion does not make it any less valid than the raw numbers.

(3) Of course I would want justice. For me, for you, for anyone in my family. For anyone who was done wrong. Does it always happen? Not 100% of the time. But in MOST CASES, justice happens. Percentages don't play a part in the quantifying of innocent victims here. The stats that have been posted by me and others just show that the belief that blacks are targeted by whites dues to racist cops is nothing but utter BS, pure and simple.

If you care to share (No need if it's too personal, of course), how many times have you been stopped by police and had a bad experience? Not bad as in you got punished for doing wrong, but as in were treated inappropriately by the police? Perhaps you had a bad experience, and this colors your beliefs accordingly. Me, I was always wrong, and was always treated just fine. Even though I ended up having to pay the price.

1, quoting Trump stats when I'm quoting FBI is unbelievable, stop it. Trump sits his naked butt on a puddle of water and gets his statistics from the leftover water dripping from his dumb butt.

2, don't talk about proportional statistics. Because when black people point out proportional statistics on cops killing black people, people like you say it doesn't count. Cause also when we look at Muslims you all are quick to forget they commit the least amount of crime in the U.S.

3, here's the only question that matters. If YOU were to be wrongfully killed by the police today, would you want your family to seek justice for you, or is it okay for your family to not seek justice for you because 84% of white people are killed by other white people?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

(1) I have no idea what a "Trump stat" is. I got mine from DOJ, CDC, and Wiki.

(2) Ignoring proportional statistics might be beneficial in some ways, but it doesn't tell the whole story. It is often necessary to quantify the comparison. For example, 100% of the women in your house are black. But only 50% of the blacks in your house are women. I can use either number to represent you. Proportionally, you are 50% of your household. If you want to distinguish between violent crimes by race, then you MUST use proportions. The same goes for gender.

(BTW, that's not a "Trump stat". http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/ )

In the chart linked above, whites committed violent crime against blacks 99,403 times (2012/2013). Blacks committed violent crime against whites 560,000 times. Those are RAW NUMBERS. But their very being causes a proportion to be quantified. Just because it's a proportion does not make it any less valid than the raw numbers.

(3) Of course I would want justice. For me, for you, for anyone in my family. For anyone who was done wrong. Does it always happen? Not 100% of the time. But in MOST CASES, justice happens. Percentages don't play a part in the quantifying of innocent victims here. The stats that have been posted by me and others just show that the belief that blacks are targeted by whites dues to racist cops is nothing but utter BS, pure and simple.

If you care to share (No need if it's too personal, of course), how many times have you been stopped by police and had a bad experience? Not bad as in you got punished for doing wrong, but as in were treated inappropriately by the police? Perhaps you had a bad experience, and this colors your beliefs accordingly. Me, I was always wrong, and was always treated just fine. Even though I ended up having to pay the price.

Ok. Let's look at hate statistics.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

Only 22.7% of hate crimes were committed against white people for being white. What were the stats against black people?

Racial bias

Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2014, there were 3,227 victims of racially motivated hate crime.

• 62.7 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.

• 22.7 percent were victims of anti-White bias.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/victims_final

Now let's look at murder

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Murders committed by white people 3005. Committed against other white people, 2509, committed against black people, 409

Murders committed by black people 2491, against other black people 2245, against white people 189.

Do you see how using percentages make things look bigger when they are really not?

Let's be clear. ANY innocent life taken, is darn wrong and I believe this with my whole heart. Any life taken is wrong no matter how small the percentage.

I have a question. Do you pay taxes? If you pay taxes did you know that your taxes pay the police salaries? I pay taxes and I know my taxes pay for police salaries. Do you know what my salary doesn't pay? It doesn't pay the salaries of normal citizens. Which in turn means, I pay the police to protect me from normal citizens and to seek justice against normal citizens who would like to do me harm. I do not pay the police department's salary to do harm to me. This is what many people fail to realize why quoting crime stats don't help when people are talking about innocent lives lost.

I am glad you would want your family to seek justice. I would want them to seek justice too. Quoting crime statistics committed by someone else is irrelevant when it comes to death.

THE BIGGEST THING PEOPLE MISS, being that we have so many constitutional gurus in VJ is that we live in a DEMOCRACY, Yeah that's right, I said it. Even IF someone just committed a crime, we have due process. That person deserves their day in court. Now if we want to get rid of our democratic ways, what would make us any different that these third world or Islamic countries people claim to hate so much because of their poor human rights track?

Last but not least, my first experience with the police was when I was 15 years old. My father had just passed away that May. He always helped this one particular City Councilman run for officer every year and in return the may paid him extra money. My dad had just passed away from cancer. As a thanks to my dad, the Councilman recommended my brothers and I to participate in the government's summer intern program. We were so excited. I worked for the Human Resources office for the State Government and my brother's worked for the Sheriff's Department. My youngest brother and I were so excited to cash our first pay check. We left the bank and then flashing lights and guns drawn. They accused my brother of being a drug dealer and I of being his girlfriend. This is even with us wearing government pages around our neck. They punched my brother and put him in the back sit and decided to search me for a weapon.

The female officer turned me towards the restaurant not towards the car and searched me. I had on a dress. She caressed my breast, my fruit cup and stuck her hand under my dress. She said she wanted to feel the bone of my fruit cup more to insure it wasn't a weapon. She displayed me like a slave at a market. At 15 years old. I had to hardest time accepting female contact for years. Then when they finished, no apology, no sorry, they had torn the inside of the car apart and left. My mother's calls to the police station were never answered.

That's just one incident. And let's be clear, I have no record, umpteen degrees and was pulled over more than once at the university I worked at. Minorities are an easy target for police, because we can give them quick quotas. If they weren't so pressured for quick quotas the amount of chaos happening during police stops would diminish quickly.

I'm not anti police. I am pro police. I am anti corrupt police. Very big difference.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Janelle2002

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

Cause also when we look at Muslims you all are quick to forget they commit the least amount of crime in the U.S.

what, the amish didn't place dead last?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

what, the amish didn't place dead last?

People aren't blasting the Amish on here so I didn't mention them. Post their stats please and I'll praise them for being good citizens

[Expat1 971]

In other threads, users have asked for stats showing how many people are killed by police. Found a few this morning.

http://www.subjectpolitics.com/milo-yiannopoulos-explains-black-lives-dont-matter-black-lives-matter/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

Good database on police shootings

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Pretty sure not many Amish own black slaves. But many muslims do, in comparison. Kinda makes the muslims more guilty, at least to some.

what, the amish didn't place dead last?

[Expat1 971]

Pretty sure not many Amish own black slaves. But many muslims do, in comparison. Kinda makes the muslims more guilty, at least to some.

Black people and muslims buy and sell slaves because Bush screwed up the middle east

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Pretty sure not many Amish own black slaves. But many muslims do, in comparison. Kinda makes the muslims more guilty, at least to some.

But I'm pretty sure there were plenty of white Christians here that owned slaves. So should I be outraged at Muslims overseas that owned African slaves or the Americans that owned black people ? And why are you bringing up slaves in this thread? Seems like you do see color...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

But I'm pretty sure there were plenty of white Christians here that owned slaves. So should I be outraged at Muslims overseas that owned African slaves or the Americans that owned black people ? And why are you bringing up slaves in this thread? Seems like you do see color...

Big difference between did and do win it comes to slaves

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Big difference between did and do win it comes to slaves

Okay, do muslims own black people now?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Absolutely they do. Several million, according to the interwebs. Actually, I think Afrcians enslave more blacks than any other group, but it's been a while since I read about it.

And since the other thread got shut down, let me reiterate... Neither article, 88 nor 134, apply to you. You are no longer serving. Therefore no longer subject to UCMJ. Nor are any of the rest of us civilians. Not sure why UCMJ was even mentioned, that's why I made a point of asking.

Okay, do muslims own black people now?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Something else to ponder while we sit around arguing about racial intent. I think the media is more the problem, not race.

That, and this:

[smilesammich 10,727]

Something else to ponder while we sit around arguing about racial intent. I think the media is more the problem, not race.

That, and this:

if by this, you mean inaccurate memes intended to enrage those who can't be bothered to fact check what they spread like syphillis amongst themselves on fb, yes. i agree. big problem.

[yuna628 9,677]

Meme's are great aren't they? Steal a photo and slap whatever snarky slogan on it and you can instantly convince masses of whatever truth of the day you believe.

But you know the thing about splashing colour strobe lights on the White House? It's cutesy and all but it's not the highest respectable honour a nation can give to the fallen. Strobe lights are like those chain letters on social media, where if you don't copy paste xyz post into your status or change your icon to a certain picture or say prayers or use a certain hashtag it makes you less of human.

So what really matters when a country wants to use a symbol to honour the dead?

To lower the flag, something he ordered done for the 67th time, to honour the fallen officers. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/08/obama-orders-flags-lowered-memory-dallas-police/86861466/ That's a lot better than strobe lights, even though none of it will bring people back to life or heal the pain. But what about you? What did the snarky meme-posters, pundits, and firebreathers do on that day? Did they attend a vigil, or lower their own flags, donate blood, or give money to charity to help the families? Doubt it. It's just too easy to about something these days. To make points of no points. Makes people feel really invested and important r'somethin'.