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Took a battering and a grilling at the interview, even got the "lifetime ban" tactic thrown at me.

Was re-called twice to the window!!

All I took was 4 additional photos to the ones submitted with the original petition, these were apparently "not demonstrative" enough though.

No tongue action I guess :blush:

So got the blue form for my trouble.

"You may be able to overcome a Section 221(g) refusal by submitting additional evidence to this office"

You must supply the following additional documentation -

Passport valid for at least 6 months after the expected date of entry to the US

Evidence of relationship, correspondence (cards and letters), emails, phone records etc demonstrating ongoing personal contact consistent with relationship

Down but definitely not out :no:

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K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


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Bad news - yeah, sucky and time consumiing

Good news - not a denial

Fix it, I am sure you have the evidence, maybe just didn't submit it?

Turn it in and you'll be fine, not a denial

Good luck

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Took a battering and a grilling at the interview, even got the "lifetime ban" tactic thrown at me.

Was re-called twice to the window!!

All I took was 4 additional photos to the ones submitted with the original petition, these were apparently "not demonstrative" enough though.

No tongue action I guess :blush:

So got the blue form for my trouble.

"You may be able to overcome a Section 221(g) refusal by submitting additional evidence to this office"

You must supply the following additional documentation -

Passport valid for at least 6 months after the expected date of entry to the US

Evidence of relationship, correspondence (cards and letters), emails, phone records etc demonstrating ongoing personal contact consistent with relationship

Down but definitely not out :no:

Whoa. :( Sorry to hear this and DEFINITELY a new thing for London for what is a straightforward case. Glad to see you have a positive attitude about it though and that it's going to be easily overcome.

Why were they talking about lifetime bans? Can you give any context?

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God I am so sorry :crying:

But next time be more prepared and it will be better =)

As you can see my Husband is from England too, i hope his goes well.

I know my timeline sucks, but my husbands P.O.E was on January 7th, 2013!

Greencard in hand! After almost 4 years, WE DID IT!

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What is going on with London right now??? I thought they never asked for stuff like that! Did you have anything besides the photos as proof of your ongoing relationship? I have my interview next week and I only have a couple of photos of the two of us :S

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Applied online - 7/4/19 

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Wow, yeah and the word on the street was that London cared less about extra evidence. I'm glad I'm making Julian take a bunch, just in case. Now after reading this, I plan to send more!!

Hang in there and just give them as much as you possible can....they asked for it!tongue_ss.gif

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Whoa. :( Sorry to hear this and DEFINITELY a new thing for London for what is a straightforward case. Glad to see you have a positive attitude about it though and that it's going to be easily overcome.

Why were they talking about lifetime bans? Can you give any context?

The implication being that it was all a sham, so was reminded of the oath I swore to, and that we both signed the forms as true and accurate etc and the consequences for me could be a lifetime ban from the US

Well it's not a sham and 13 months of chat logs will prove it, that's another tree gone then.

Got back from London this evening to find my pkt 4 letter on the doormat, made me laugh anyway.

Edited by Stu4Lee

K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


"You are lucky we are busy today, we are trying to clear this area, otherwise I wouldn't let you in" - Atlanta CBP Securing America's Borders

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Yes, unprecedented in London for sure. Can you describe the interview person? I wonder if you and orangedesk had the same person. Same for the others like Kitty who wasn't asked. Maybe a new person joined the team.

The passport expiration is on their webpage so that's not new.

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Bad news - yeah, sucky and time consumiing

Good news - not a denial

Fix it, I am sure you have the evidence, maybe just didn't submit it?

Turn it in and you'll be fine, not a denial

Good luck

Exactly!! Thanks :thumbs:

God I am so sorry :crying:

But next time be more prepared and it will be better =)

As you can see my Husband is from England too, i hope his goes well.

Oh they will be getting a truckload :thumbs:

Good luck to your fella!

What is going on with London right now??? I thought they never asked for stuff like that! Did you have anything besides the photos as proof of your ongoing relationship? I have my interview next week and I only have a couple of photos of the two of us :S

Nope just took the 4 extra

Wow, yeah and the word on the street was that London cared less about extra evidence. I'm glad I'm making Julian take a bunch, just in case. Now after reading this, I plan to send more!!

Hang in there and just give them as much as you possible can....they asked for it!tongue_ss.gif

Indeed, she asked for it and will be getting it, and some :thumbs:

I asked her if she really wanted 13 months of chat logs? "the more the better"

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K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


"You are lucky we are busy today, we are trying to clear this area, otherwise I wouldn't let you in" - Atlanta CBP Securing America's Borders

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The implication being that it was all a sham, so was reminded of the oath I swore to, and that we both signed the forms as true and accurate etc and the consequences for me could be a lifetime ban from the US

Well it's not a sham and 13 months of chat logs will prove it, that's another tree gone then.

Got back from London this evening to find my pkt 4 letter on the doormat, made me laugh anyway.

This is coming from curiosity only, and I don't mean any offense, but was it something you said? Did you get a question wrong, or did they just feel like the file from USCIS didn't already have what they considered "enough" evidence?

It's just sort of blowing my mind that kittylondon breezed through and you had so much trouble. I'm wondering what they consider enough.

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Yes, unprecedented in London for sure. Can you describe the interview person? I wonder if you and orangedesk had the same person. Same for the others like Kitty who wasn't asked. Maybe a new person joined the team.

The passport expiration is on their webpage so that's not new.

I'm pretty sure it's the same one kittylondon had today, at window 16. I would have said 30's, longish straight brown hair, glasses...Kate?? same one??

Yeah I was just trying to point out that they wanted the passport back too and what the blue form said really.

K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


"You are lucky we are busy today, we are trying to clear this area, otherwise I wouldn't let you in" - Atlanta CBP Securing America's Borders

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Usually it comes out that there is a story behind the story.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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I'm pretty sure it's the same one kittylondon had today, at window 16. I would have said 30's, longish straight brown hair, glasses...Kate?? same one??

Yeah I was just trying to point out that they wanted the passport back too and what the blue form said really.

WOW... I think my guy had the same woman, he mentioned around the same age, brown hair and glasses!! I'm so sorry you have to deal with this, but it made me really happy to see your positive attitude. Like you said, you have 13 months of chat logs, records, etc. I'm sure this will be very easy to overcome.

Good luck and keep us posted. You're in my thoughts :)

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This is coming from curiosity only, and I don't mean any offense, but was it something you said? Did you get a question wrong, or did they just feel like the file from USCIS didn't already have what they considered "enough" evidence?

It's just sort of blowing my mind that kittylondon breezed through and you had so much trouble. I'm wondering what they consider enough.

It could have been something I said, only the CO could tell you that.

Enough evidence for the petition approval is not necessarily enough for visa approval, I get that.

K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


"You are lucky we are busy today, we are trying to clear this area, otherwise I wouldn't let you in" - Atlanta CBP Securing America's Borders

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Usually it comes out that there is a story behind the story.

Thanks for your useful contribution :thumbs:

K-1
NOA1 Nov 25th 2011
NOA2 May 30th 2012 (not a typo, 187 days no RFE)
Left NVC Jun 18th 2012
Medical Jun 28th 2012
Pkt 3 sent Jul 3rd 2012
Pkt 3 rec Jul 9th 2012 (sent before received)
Pkt 4 rec Jul 30th 2012
Interview Jul 30th 2012 (refused for lack of ongoing relationship evidence)
Approved Oct 5th 2012
Visa delivered Oct 10th 2012
POE JFK-NYC Nov 28th 2012
Married Dec 24th 2012

AOS
Package sent Jan 30th 2013
NOA1 Feb 6th 2013
Biometrics Mar 4th 2013
EAD/AP card in production Apr 5th 2013
EAD/AP card in mail Apr 11th 2013
EAD/AP card arrived Apr 13th 2013
SS card arrived Apr 19th 2013

AOS approved Sept 19th 2013 (no interview)

ROC

Package sent Sept 13th 2015

NOA1 Sept 15th 2015

Extension Letter 1yr Sept 15th 2015

Biometrics Oct 15th 2015

RFE Jul 11th 2016

Infopass 1yr extension Aug 26th 2016

RFE response Sept 30th 2016

Interview Mar 15th 2017


"You are lucky we are busy today, we are trying to clear this area, otherwise I wouldn't let you in" - Atlanta CBP Securing America's Borders

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