Construction Workers Vow Not to Build NYC Mosque

[_Simpson_ 250]

That is only because 99% of liberals knew dubya was lying his ####### off to justify the war.

Oh please you guys disagreed with everything he said.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok most lefties and some of the good guys/girls. As far as extremism goes that would be people who use the religion for death and destruction.

Because some Muslims are extremists, it would not necessarily follow that there is extremism in Islam the faith, no?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Oh please you guys disagreed with everything he said.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Because some Muslims are extremists, it would not necessarily follow that there is extremism in Islam the faith, no?

Well like the bible there is some very over the top stuff in Quran. So I think its no surprise that there is such a extremist element in Islam.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well like the bible there is some very over the top stuff in Quran. So I think its no surprise that there is such a extremist element in Islam.

Do you have any examples of the over the extremist stuff in the Quran? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm genuinely interested in what that would be to a novice.

[Heracles 417]

Do you have any examples of the over the extremist stuff in the Quran? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm genuinely interested in what that would be to a novice.

It doesn't matter what we think or the moderate sane Muslims think. The reality is that there is a significant number of people who think the west is evil and that it's their destiny to destroy it. I see your point in a way, as it's not Islam per say that is teaching [promoting] this.

This means, it's not us you need to convince, it's the people who assume it's their destiny to do Allah's work. After all, it wasn't one crazy guy that orchestrated 9/11 or has fought the US for seven years now in Iraq and Afghan.

Edited August 21, 2010 by Heracles

[zqt3344 21]

Right on Heracles, but you will never get a muslim to admit it nor a left wingnut! What they do not want to talk about or admit is that their cult of religion states in their Quran that only one religion or way of life is allowed and it ain't the Church of Scientology!

It doesn't matter what we think or the moderate sane Muslims think. The reality is that there is a significant number of people who think the west is evil and that it's their destiny to destroy it. I see your point in a way, as it's not Islam per say that is teaching [promoting] this.

This means, it's not us you need to convince, it's the people who assume it's their destiny to do Allah's work. After all, it wasn't one crazy guy that orchestrated 9/11 or has fought the US for seven years now in Iraq and Afghan.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Yeah no bigotry indeed.

Maybe someone else will get the money for it then. Their loss.

It all depends on what the mafia wants. If they say it will not be built it won't. They control all the construction in NY city.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

This is all personal opinion and conviction. Nothing wrong with it. I have long made it my own policy not to provide consulting/management services to any client that abused/exploited illegal aliens. So what? It is a form of freedom of speech which has to exist in order for freedom of religion to exist.

The Muslims are certainly entitled to build a mosque on private property and workers are certainly entitled to refuse to build it. These are all non-issues. Muslims cannot expect other people not to use their freedom of speech or expression. Building a mosque in that location is not a popular idea...and what? Deal with it or don't do it.

[evli1966 88]

Because some Muslims are extremists, it would not necessarily follow that there is extremism in Islam the faith, no?

Do you have any examples of the over the extremist stuff in the Quran? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm genuinely interested in what that would be to a novice.

Soff I do not intend to insult you.

But it is insulting to state what you state "What is extremism in Islam" (you already know what is considred extremism).

show us muslim leaders speaking out against terroists attacks on anyone including muslims and nonmuslims and denouncing those extremists in such a way that expell or extricate them from the Muslim religeon or society.

Show us Muslim leaders who speak out against other leaders openly in public deouncing policies in government which support horrific acts against their own people such as stoning so that change is made and it doesn't happen.

Tell us how a police officer pressured by leadership not to arrest rapists of a child can seek guidance above that athority and do his rightful job and protect the muslim people.

I believe there are Muslims who want change and to speak out but are afraid of what will happen to themselves and their families but not speaking out when you can makes them no better than the ones doing the evil.

sorry Soff it may have came out a little more rough than it should have.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Soff I do not intend to insult you.

But it is insulting to state what you state "What is extremism in Islam" (you already know what is considred extremism).

show us muslim leaders speaking out against terroists attacks on anyone including muslims and nonmuslims and denouncing those extremists in such a way that expell or extricate them from the Muslim religeon or society.

Show us Muslim leaders who speak out against other leaders openly in public deouncing policies in government which support horrific acts against their own people such as stoning so that change is made and it doesn't happen.

Tell us how a police officer pressured by leadership not to arrest rapists of a child can seek guidance above that athority and do his rightful job and protect the muslim people.

I believe there are Muslims who want change and to speak out but are afraid of what will happen to themselves and their families but not speaking out when you can makes them no better than the ones doing the evil.

sorry Soff it may have came out a little more rough than it should have.

I asked for examples of extremism in ISLAM, expecting you to show me where Islam commands extremism.

I asked you on another thread why you are unable to find denouncements of terror by Muslims? Muslims speak out against violence all the time and have for years, even before 9/11. There are entire Muslim institutes devoted to it, including the one the imam with the proposed mosque is aligned with. A couple have even won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing so.

Why is it that you don't know this? Shouldn't you be asking your media providers rather than assuming that Muslims don't speak out because of bad Muslims threatening them? And, where did you even get the idea that bad Muslims censor Muslims who want to speak out? Your media? It's interesting that you picked up that piece of negative news, but not the positive denunciations.

Edited August 22, 2010 by Sofiyya

[evli1966 88]

I asked for examples of extremism in ISLAM, expecting you to show me where Islam commands extremism.

I asked you on another thread why you are unable to find denouncements of terror by Muslims? Muslims speak out against violence all the time and have for years, even before 9/11. There are entire Muslim institutes devoted to it, including the one the imam with the proposed mosque is aligned with. A couple have even won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing so.

Why is it that you don't know this? Shouldn't you be asking your media providers rather than assuming that Muslims don't speak out because of bad Muslims threatening them? And, where did you even get the idea that bad Muslims censor Muslims who want to speak out? Your media? It's interesting that you picked up that piece of negative news, but not the positive denunciations.

I stand corrected after more targeted searches I did find Islamic leaders speaking out more so.

The controversy is they speak out more as more Muslims are targeted and then refer to any human life including nonmuslim.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Seek hard and ye shall find Muslim anti-terrorism sites and articles about Muslims against terrorism.

Founded 1989: The American Muslim

1998 +: Muslims Against Terrorism

2001 +: Muslims against Terrorism

2005: Free Muslims represent the U.S. on combating anti-Semitism and Intolerance against Muslims

2008: Silent Majority: Muslim Voices of Moderation Struggle to Be Heard

2008?: Muslims Against Terrorism|Facebook

There are many more, but I don't have time to add all of them. One problem that each has encountered is criticism by anti-Islam bigots that they don't always march in lockstep with their demands to agree with their world view. Muslims defending Islam is against the bigot agenda.

I hope this helps.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Do you have any examples of the over the extremist stuff in the Quran? I'm not saying it's not there, I'm genuinely interested in what that would be to a novice.

From the Shakir translation:

Regarding fighting disbelievers:

Chapter 2, verse 191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter...

Chapter 2, verse 193: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah.

Chapter 4, verse 89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Ok, this is a very small sampling. There are many other examples where Muslims are called on to fight against disbelievers, and establish Islam as the only religion on earth. There's no point digging out all of the verses. We both know they are there.

To be fair, there are just as many objectionable verses in the Bible (mostly the old testament), and extremist Christians can be just as dangerous as extremist Muslims. I think the most notable difference is that most Christians don't believe that God himself penned the Bible exactly as it is written, while Muslims believe that Allah himself is the literal author of the Quran, and Muhammed was simply a messenger. Christians have some wiggle room for interpretation (hence the many versions of the Bible), but Muslims have very little wiggle room - there is only one Quran.

The problem is with Muslims who read the Quran literally, and take each verse as a personal command to themselves to take action exactly as described. Because the new testament largely mitigates the vengeful and violent God of the old testament, most serious scholars of the Bible don't become violent extremists (with some very notable exceptions). The same doesn't happen with serious scholars of the Quran because it doesn't contain any verses to abrogate the violent verses, leaving them to conclude that the orders from Allah still stand - fight against the disbelievers, kill them if you must, and establish Islam as the only religion on earth. The Quran virtually promises that this must happen before Muhammed and Jesus can return.

My personal opinion is that both books are fairy tales, and neither of them serve mankind in a totally positive way. By the same token, I don't believe that radical Christianity is nearly as dangerous as radical Islamism, at least not when either are driven by a literal interpretation of their scriptures.

[Gemmie 142]

SO the London bombings, Bali Bombings, the failed NYC car bomb, the failed attempt to blow up trans-Atlantic planes, the attack on the pentagon and the destruction of two towers in this country was paranoia was it?

Thankfully people more in tune with reality are looking out for our safety, than with people out of touch with the world outside the west. People who clearly assume coffee and biscuits is the norm abroad.

I think going to Iraq was a bad move, but I am not going to deny the real and imminent threat to western countries. All it takes is one nuke and hundreds of thousand will have their lives destroyed. While you might be willing to risk that, I'm not.

That said, building this mosque so close is poor taste, rather than any sign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg