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House Votes To Forcibly Extract DNA From Those Accused Of Serious Crimes

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  1. 1. If arrested (not convicted) dna should be taken and kept in a national database,

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Ban Hammer Grand Master

Ban Hammer   13,343

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see http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/257435-house-votes-to-forcibly-extract-dna-from-those-accused-of-serious-crimes/

not a public poll, btw. your vote cannot be seen.

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GabiandVi   34

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This is a tough one. I want to agree with it, but on principle, I had to disagree with it. It is possible that I could be convinced, but since I don't really have to decide, I will stick with the principles of civil liberties and vote disagree.

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Peikko   1,575

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What this seems to show is that more people than not are not really very aware as to what it would be like where there to be a shift to a more systemic assumption of guilt when arrested as apposed to the innocent until proved guilty in a court of law approach. If one has lived through a period of limited civil liberties, I don't think one is so sanguine about giving that up.

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Ban Hammer Grand Master

Ban Hammer   13,343

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What this seems to show is that more people than not are not really very aware as to what it would be like where there to be a shift to a more systemic assumption of guilt when arrested as apposed to the innocent until proved guilty in a court of law approach. If one has lived through a period of limited civil liberties, I don't think one is so sanguine about giving that up.

i, for the record, voted "disagree with this."

if upon conviction, i'd not have an issue with it, but the presumption of innocence until proven guilty seems to have taken a hike. once the dna is collected, the federal government will always have it.

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I AM NOT THAT GUY Grand Master

I AM NOT THAT GUY   5,715

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i, for the record, voted "disagree with this."

if upon conviction, i'd not have an issue with it, but the presumption of innocence until proven guilty seems to have taken a hike. once the dna is collected, the federal government will always have it.

They currently need only a suspicion to acquire yours today, if they haven't already in the course of your dealings with the medical profession, in and out of Federal service. Any sense of privacy you still cling to should have gone away over the last decade, or haven't you noticed? For a small fee, there are a dozen or so internet sites that will give me every piece of information the collective private and public agencies have recorded about you in nanoseconds. Welcome to a brave new world!

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the presumption of innocence until proven guilty seems to have taken a hike. once the dna is collected, the federal government will always have it.
Si, man (sigh, man).

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GabiandVi   34

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We currently are fingerprinted and our fingerprints are put in a federal database in many cases if we are not even suspected of a crime. I had to be fingerprinted to work as a teacher. My husband was recently fingerprinted to process his AOS.

I voted I disagree, but I don't see an illogical leap from fingerprinting to DNA extraction.

AOS Timeline

4/14/10 - Packet received at Chicago Lockbox at 9:22 AM (Day 1)

4/24/10 - Received hardcopy NOAs (Day 10)

5/14/10 - Biometrics taken. (Day 31)

5/29/10 - Interview letter received 6/30 at 10:30 (Day 46)

6/30/10 - Interview: 10:30 (Day 77) APPROVED!!!

6/30/10 - EAD received in the mail

7/19/10 - GC in hand! (Day 96) .

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