Arizona Bill Cracks Down on Illegal Immigration

[sjr09 155]

Why? You could not be arrested and incarcerated for speeding, but you theoretically could be for 'forgetting' to bring your id card with you. That's my problem, the notion that one can be incarcerated for not being able to identify oneself immediately, not that one should not be required to identify oneself within a given time span.

It doesn't take a genius to work out who would be arrested and incarcerated for failure to produce identity most often. I am fairly sure that I could get away with it because I don't 'fit' the profile but those that do...

it would be absolutely hilarious to have to bail oneself out every five minutes, I can't wait.

But you can be arrested and incarcerated for speeding! (criminal speeding)

Criminal Speeding In Arizona My question involves a speeding ticket from the State of: Arizona

Hello,

New to the forum...

I received a citation for criminal speeding in AZ and was incarcerated for about 8 hours at Madison street jail. My question is in regards to the means in which I was stopped.

According to the police, the Phoenix police helicopter was flying above the freeway at the time of my speeding and paced me at 110mph. I don't feel as though I was going that fast (no traffic) and then they proceeded to radio down to DPS (Department of Public Safety) who proceeded to pull me over (at the time they pulled me over, I was doing the speed limit). I was not recklessly driving, just going fast in an area with no traffic. I was immediately put in handcuffs and taken to jail. The speed limit was 65mph on the freeway and lowered to 55 (construction zone). By the time I hit the construction zone, I was flowing with the traffic.

How legit is it that they paced me with a hellicopter? Does it matter that the arresting officer did not actually see me speed? The department that spotted me speeding was not the actual department that arrested or booked me... I also spend about 10 hours in custody, 8 hours in an actual cell. What am I looking at in terms of fines/penalties?

I have no priors or record and my last speeding ticket was over 5 years ago and I took care of it through defensive driving school.

Thanks so much for your help

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Is there lead in your water or something - how are you not saying what I summarised above?

You have said repeatedly and clearly that you believe the police should have the right to stop and detain people based on no more evidence than how they "sound".

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

No fuckwit, it's you that assumed I said it. For a good five posts now I have clearly explained what I did say and meant.

What's one to expect from you anyway. You claim to be an English scholar yet cannot even interpret a supreme court ruling.

Good move with the edit, Ali. You know what I mean.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You claim to be an English scholar

Where?

[Peikko 1,575]

I believe that the LPR card clearly states that it must be carried with you and provided on demand...

Yes, it does and?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Good move with the edit, Ali. You know what I mean.

I read it. He's chickenshit. If he weren't he'd have left it up.

Dude lets his temper get the best of him

[Peikko 1,575]

But you can be arrested and incarcerated for speeding! (criminal speeding)

Criminal Speeding In Arizona My question involves a speeding ticket from the State of: Arizona

Hello,

New to the forum...

I received a citation for criminal speeding in AZ and was incarcerated for about 8 hours at Madison street jail. My question is in regards to the means in which I was stopped.

According to the police, the Phoenix police helicopter was flying above the freeway at the time of my speeding and paced me at 110mph. I don't feel as though I was going that fast (no traffic) and then they proceeded to radio down to DPS (Department of Public Safety) who proceeded to pull me over (at the time they pulled me over, I was doing the speed limit). I was not recklessly driving, just going fast in an area with no traffic. I was immediately put in handcuffs and taken to jail. The speed limit was 65mph on the freeway and lowered to 55 (construction zone). By the time I hit the construction zone, I was flowing with the traffic.

How legit is it that they paced me with a hellicopter? Does it matter that the arresting officer did not actually see me speed? The department that spotted me speeding was not the actual department that arrested or booked me... I also spend about 10 hours in custody, 8 hours in an actual cell. What am I looking at in terms of fines/penalties?

I have no priors or record and my last speeding ticket was over 5 years ago and I took care of it through defensive driving school.

Thanks so much for your help

What is 'criminal speeding' when it's at home? I have intention of moving to Arizona...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What is 'criminal speeding' when it's at home? I have intention of moving to Arizona...

I think it has to do with how far over the speed limit you are.

I believe there are similar provisions in the UK.

[Ali G. 37]

Is there lead in your water or something - how are you not saying what I summarised above?

You have said repeatedly and clearly that you believe the police should have the right to stop and detain people based on no more evidence than how they "sound".

How many times do I need to state it?

If or when someone is questioned during any routine check, the authorities should have the right to ask for the card.

The criteria is quite simple. If [as in when] someone is questioned by police and clearly not of American origin, as in does not speak a word of English, the police should reserve the right to ask for some sort of identification indicating status.

What I said is that if someone is questioned with probable cause, the police should reserve the right to ask for their status.

Scenario 1

I'm pulled over for speeding, the officer notices by my accent that I am a foreigner. The officer about to issue me a citation should have the right to ask for an ID card to prove my status.

Scenario 2

I am questioned by an officer for loitering at a 7/11, the officer speaks to me and notices by my accent that I am a foreigner. The officer about to issue me a citation should have the right to ask for an ID card to prove my status.

Scenario 3

I am questioned regarding a robbery, the officer notices by my accent that I am a foreigner. The officer interviewing me should have the right to ask for an ID card to prove my status.

Scenario 4

Arrested for DUI or being drunk in public, the officer notices by my accent that I am a foreigner. The officer about to issue me a citation should have the right to ask for an ID card to prove my status.

Scenario 5

I am walking down the street or sitting at a restaurant, yet my foreign accent is overheard. Nothing is done or asked of me as I have not broken any law.

In a country where illegal aliens are a huge problem, you disagree with individuals stopped during routine police work, like when an individual is arrested for a DUI, having their status questioned because it 'may discriminate'. However, you also disagree with mandating everyone's status be checked during the normal course of police work; something that would eliminate the paranoia of discrimination.

Much like Pike, you guys use straw man arguments such as falsely claiming we advocate police randomly pull people over and check their status, particularly anyone of brown skin. Unfortunately you are wrong on all counts.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Ali G.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Yes, it does and?

So "'forgetting' to bring your id card with you" can result in criminal charges and possible revocation of the card.

I think it has to do with how far over the speed limit you are.

I believe there are similar provisions in the UK.

Also in Iowa but I am not sure its call criminal speeding....

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I believe that the LPR card clearly states that it must be carried with you and provided on demand...

But do the police have access to whether a person is a citizen or LPR? I honestly don't know. If they do then this is debate is pointless because from getting a name and or basic ID they can determine your status.

Otherwise, what happens when they think they have an illegal or LPR and after detaining them they find they really have a US citizen and lawsuit? (assuming no national ID exists)

Laws across the nation would have to be changed to require everyone to carry a National ID at all times. I personally do not like the idea that I would be breaking the law my existing my house and walking the 4 blocks to a coffee shop with my government ID.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Sousuke

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How many times do I need to state it?

I'm just wondering how that fits in with your stated positions that:on the basis of crime statistics that all blacks and hispanics should have diminished rights because odds are that they are likely to be criminals.

Unless that was just total bull$hit.

[Craneman 2]

My wife is a LPR and she proudly carries and shows here documentation.

We were having dinner one night and there were two state police at the table next to us, she just had to show them her Green Card.

She actually gets dissappointed when people do not know what a Green Card is.

i was watching this story on cnn today, and they made it a big deal that even lpr's have to carry documentation showing they are here legally!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Otherwise, what happens when they think they have an illegal or LPR and after detaining them they find they really have a US citizen and lawsuit?

Bingo. This is key.

My wife is a naturalized American citizen who speaks English with an accent. Let's say her car breaks down on the highway and a nice cop man pulls over to assist. The cop has now made lawful contact with her and notices a female who could easily be mistaken for a Hispanic female, in her 30's, with an accent.

Does the cop have reasonable cause to believe she's an alien and demand documentation?

It would all come down to the personal prejudices of the cop, wouldn't it?

[PhiLandShiR 18]

But do the police have access to whether a person is a citizen or LPR? I honestly don't know. If they do then this is debate is pointless because from getting a name and or basic ID they can determine your status.

Otherwise, what happens when they think they have an illegal or LPR and after detaining them they find they really have a US citizen and lawsuit? Nothing happens, the courts have already ruled on this very issue.

Laws across the nation would have to be changed to require everyone to carry a National ID at all times. Nonsence, The law already requires the Green Card holder to have it with them at all times.

I personally do not like the idea that I would be breaking the law my existing my house and walking the 4 blocks to a coffee shop with my government ID.