lilstar

I agree, thanks.

So if someone i never met before, comes along and rings my doorbell and introduces there selves. There no longer strangers anymore? a "Stranger" is a person you don't know.

lol So you think i'm arguing with you? I wouldn't waste my time. I wouldn't respond if i didn't value your opinion. Yes, you should be honest but you shouldn’t overshare. She complicated matters by explaining her plans too far in the future with someone she hasn’t met and to a school she didn’t know if she would or wouldn’t attend. The final thing I will say is: as unfair as it is. Young unmarried women are often denied visit visas to the US. Then the next factor leading to denial is going to meet a friend they met online- before it would be more problematic if the friend was male. Now because same sex marriage is legal in the US. Going to the US to meet a female friend has a similar outcome. I agree, but she did know she would attend, assuming she is granted the student visa after the visit on the b1/b2 visa. The student visa/ no student visa/study in the US with what visa/ placement test issue just adds to a reason for denial as it sounds like the friend wants to go to the US and live there indefinitely but with no specific plan and no financial backing. Going to the USA to take a placement test and returning on a student visa is a specific plan and she does have a financial backing.

The statement i made was going off the advice given in this thread, i never said that was what i think would work. It doesn't matter who pays for her trip. What matters is "what will force her back to Madagascar " after her trip is done. Your friend visiting Madagascar doesn't answer this. I know. So are you giving your opinion on what you think is going to happen or what you think the officer opinion is?

So English can only be learned in USA? Dios Mios! When did i say that? Australia and South Africa are closer to Madagascar, cheap and they speak English. And? This "I wanna learn English in USA" is old already. Just get the right visa for what you really want to do and not "camouflage" intentions. So now your telling me she is lying about her intentions of going to the USA? Care to show me your proof on this accusation. If she was lying about this whole thing wouldn't you think a better lie would have been told when she was ask where she met her friend?

100% agree, that's what i been saying. It might slightly improve the chances but it's not going to overcome immigrant intent. However the U.S friend was going to visit anyway.

1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Depends on what is considered young but i will say mid 20's. 4. Not a language school. Yes she want's to study in USA. 5. She does have money. 6. Correct 7. Well this will change soon, The U.S friend will fly and meet her in Madagascar. 8. refer to 7. 9. A Bank officer statement was provided which is different from a regular bank statement and they definitely can be verified. No they didn't look at it.

What i have gotten is that she was denied because the friendship seems stretchy. Basically this is resolved by going to Madagascar and meeting the friend first in person. So the friendship can look more legit in the eyes of the Officer. Then trying again.

I never denied or admitted i'm the U.S friend and it doesn't matter "here". Duh. Your solution doesn't make the approval odds much better in the officer eyes.

I agree, but they are not strangers. An i wasn't denied anything... It was because she likely has no intention of returning to her country, and due to the very sketchy circumstances with the Facebook friend. I believe this was the officer's opinion.

Maybe, however, you are told to be honest in the interview. Earlier, you mention that she should as told the officer her long term goals and now that i mention to you that she did. You are now saying she should have kept it simple. But, because she also has "a friend" (who might be a romantic partner) willing to pay for her entire trip (and maybe school?) the interviewer suspects once she arrives in the US she won't leave. That's not the case but i do agree with you here. Visa denied because i feel like your friend is your romantic partner. was your friend planning to studying during the first visit? Is it a university? Is it a language school? The interviewer was likely also confused and thought maybe your friend chose the wrong visa. Believe it or not. Many people apply to ESL schools in the US without visiting all of them first. You stated your friend wanted to take the placement test because she didn't know what courses she will take but usually language schools are very simple- you apply to go to the school and you choose the days/hours you want to study. Then when you arrive- you take a placement test and you are assigned a level. You do not take a placement test and then return a few months later - because your language level might have improved during that time. Even if your English level has not improved they would probably make you take the placement test again because if the school is like any of the language schools I've been to... placement tests are taken at the start of the course and at the end of the course. No, the first visit was only for the placement test. No, it isn't a language school. No the Officer wasn't confused he understood exactly what her intent was, the correct visa for selected for her intent. . You stated your friend wanted to take the placement test because she didn't know what courses she will take but usually language schools are very simple- you apply to go to the school and you choose the days/hours you want to study. Then when you arrive- you take a placement test and you are assigned a level. You do not take a placement test and then return a few months later - because your language level might have improved during that time. I agree with you on how the placement test works. However, your language skill is not going to improve during that time if she is returning back to a french speaking country with no intent to further her English until she is approved to study back at that school. Even if your English level has not improved they would probably make you take the placement test again because if the school is like any of the language schools I've been to... placement tests are taken at the start of the course and at the end of the course. Which wouldn't change anything then, she would be taking the same classes they recommended her to her before.

Perhaps you and the members on VJ aren't in the same tax bracket of said friend.

You continue to get it wrong, She is not studying in the usa on a b1/b2 visa. She is visiting a university to take a placement test, that does not result in any academic credit. You are allowed to do that on a b1/b2 visa. You do not write in a ds160 why you want to visit USA, instead you pick which visa you are applying for. She made it clear to the officer, She is taking a placement test at university. She will then return to her home country and then apply for a student visa for the same university she took the placement test at. That includes applying and be accepted at the university before applying for the student visa.

You are certainly wrong, He did not do her any favor's.

Thank you, this is the kind of response i was hoping for. So i want to challenge some of your answers a bit this is directly from a USA University school site "If you are visiting the US on a B1/B2 tourist visa, join a Part-Time English Program at ***** to improve your English. Tourist visiting the United States can use some of their free time to study. Federal law allows tourists to take short, part-time courses of study with a B1/B2 visa." Now she was not going to take a course but a placement test. It's basically to see what English classes you would need to take depending on what level on English you currently at. But she was telling the CO she was thinking of giving all that up to go study in the US. Good point, but he never asked her if she was working or currently in school. If he did, she could explain that she was only going to go for the student visa once her studies were complete in Madagascar. Which she already has the bachelors degree, but a exam for a licensing was the last thing needed to be completed. her native language is French, and he spoke in French with her. - I'm assuming she was planning on going to school in the US to study English. Why the US? Why not a cheaper country like South Africa? Or studying English online for a few months. Because she would roommate with her friend, Who lives in the USA, 5 minutes from the university. Her friend is also a female, who she would be staying with in the USA as well pay for the trip. -What proof did she have the friend was female? What type of evidence did she have that this was a friend helping her travel to the US and not a someone paying her for some type of work? A Bank Statement and pay stubs from friend's job. So why did she get denied, because he claimed she lied on her ds160 even though she didn't? -Going to the US to travel vs going to the US to look at potential schools are two very different goals. She made it very clear and named the university were she was going to visit to take the placement test. I'm sure you are familiar with the ds160 but it does not ask you why you want to go to the usa but which visa are you applying for. Because he doesn't like where she met her friend? - The CO is protecting her. This could be a potential human trafficking issue. Most people would not allow a stranger to pay for them to travel to a foreign country without expecting some type of string attached. In this case, this isn't a human trafficking issue, however he doesn't know that. But, i would assume he would have the intelligence to know that that a human trafficker is not going to give someone documents like their bank statement and pay stubs.

No, they haven't. However she had the friends bank statement, so i don't think a trafficker would allow an officer to see personal information if that was the goal. Listen, i never said the officer was right or wrong for denying her. I was more focusing on what exact reason the officer denied her for. Did her feel like because she met someone online it wasn't safe?, was it because the officer claimed she lied on her ds160?, even though she didn't. Was it because of the 214(b) despite her having strong ties to her home country?

You don't understand people sometimes because you can't relate to people sometimes. Not everyone has the ability to learn another language like you were able to using an app. Some people need a classroom setting. An USA was chosen because she would roommate with her friend who lives in USA.

Exactly why she needed a visitor visa before enrolling. This school doesn't allow you to take the test online but in person on there computers.

That's correct, People meet people from the internet all the time to date etc. However this is someone she has know for a while now.

Thank you

On august 5, 2023 my friend was denied a b1/b2 visa but it's not clear why. She told 100% truth and answered all questions honestly, The officer asked her a question, where do you meet your friend? she answered, Facebook on a tourism page. She said he asked the question again, where did you meet your friend and she responded with the same answer. She said the officer then made a comment that it is dangerous. Also on her ds160 she had it listed that she wanted to visit the USA under b1/b2 visa. He asked the standard question, Why do you want to visit the USA? she replied that she wanted to visit to tour a university and there she would take a test to see what classes she needed to enroll into to learn English. The test does not result in an Academic credit, it's just a placement test. He replied that she lied her on ds160 because it listed that she wanted to tour the USA because she choose the B1/B2 visa and not the student visa. I am very confused because it is allowed to tour a University and take a short course on a b1/b2 visa as long as it doesn't result in a credit? so why would he say that. The student visa is if you are already enrolled in classes, why would she do that if she doesn't even know what classes she would need to take. Additional details: Her goal was to take the placement test on her visit to the USA, then go back to Madagascar and apply for a student visa to USA. She has a job and is enrolled in school in her home country and has already completed her Bachelors Degree in Tourism. So she has strong times to her home country and yes she has those documents present and no he did not look at them. Her country is Madagascar. her native language is French, and he spoke in French with her. But she got the standard section 214(b) as the reason for her denial. Her friend is also a female, who she would be staying with in the USA as well pay for the trip. So why did she get denied, because he claimed she lied on her ds160 even though she didn't? Because he doesn't like where she met her friend?