Mandarin86
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If anyone is curious, I did get a response from the embassy in Jakarta that deals with visa's and they recommended putting her marital status as single and that she never married but including a statement page of her previous Nikah siri and including (non-legal) evidence of divorce. so we will include the letter from the village head, and if we can get a document from the KUA showing no registered marriage we will include that.
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Do I still need to disclose that she was married? Her marital status as divorced etc?
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Seeing if anyone has any advice on Nikah Siri from Indonesia. Fiancé's previous marriage was Nikah Siri, and she divorced back in 2013. Nikah Siri is religious Islamic marriage and is unregistered marriage not viewed as legal marriage by Indonesia Government. She doesn't have official marriage certificates nor legal divorce documents because she was never legally married. If I put she isn't married, and single on the I-129F form I feel like I am being untruthful. But if I put divorced and she married before, they will require legal divorce document which I can not provide. The best I might be able to get is a document in writing from the civil registry in Indonesia that there is no record of a registered marriage and divorce. I'm not sure they do that or not, but I have let my fiancé know that we may need a document like this. She said she can get a copy of what the village head sent to the Registry office about nikah siri and divorce, but I don't think USCIS would care about this.
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Just to update on this. @Verrou We got some more documents including her birth certificate and her son's birth certificate. Fiancé' has KTP and Family Card. KTP show's Marriage status as divorced. Family card shows marriage status as "Divorce has not been recorded" she is the only person that is on the family card and shows as head of household. Her Sons Birth certificate shows the mother and father names, and states "whose marriage has not been registered in accordance with statutory regulations.". Again, their is no Marriage Certificate or Divorce document to get from the government due to it not being a legal marriage. But there are some documents like the KTP and Family card that show divorced. Can the consulate pull these documents and may suspect she was married even though in Indonesia she is not nor was ever legally married in the eyes of the government.
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Fiance moving soon around filing of K-1
Mandarin86 replied to Mandarin86's topic in K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures
She’s going to move in November but we don’t know the specific date yet. Should I just wait until I know the date then submit the form. The mailing address is where she is moving to, her family lives there. -
Fiancé is going to be leaving Malaysia and going back to her home country Indonesia within a month. We are about ready to file the k-1 this week or next. We have put her mailing address as her Indonesia address but putting her Malaysia address as the physical, which will be changing soon. Does this need to be super accurate or can we just put the Indonesia address as physical and put the Malaysian address one as the 2nd physical address. We don't know the date she will leave yet as she's trying to sell some things before she leaves.
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Hi Verrou: We are still thinking about applying for K1. and we are still on the fence a bit on this issue. I take your reasoning that we would put the marriage never occured because there is no document or record showing, and Indonesia government does not legally support Niki Siri. Since there is no record, no Marriage certificate, or divorce what would be the harm of saying she was never legally married? If we say she was married, all we can do is say it was Niki Siri marriage, there is no document showing a marriage occurred legally, and we can not show any proof from Indonesian government. They have to take our word for it. She may be able to get something from the village head saying they were married and then divorced but it is not official document from the government. This is our biggest worry right now.
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I'm intrigued by the Utah County Zoom marriage. However we have already met and just a few weeks ago so It will not be quick to meet again due to work and planning. I'm assuming we would have to meet and spend time together again after the marriage in her current country to consummate the marriage? Then once this is done we can start the CR-1 application
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We don’t know the answer to your first question. But probably legit. all we know is my fiancé experience with her ex husband, is because of Siri, there was no record of her marriage or divorce, so legally it was never recognized by law. thank you for your insight. I don’t want to argue as well, you were saying something but not giving your reasoning so I wasn’t finding it to insightful until you gave details later.
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To marry in Indonesia, you have to be same religion, She is muslim, and I am Christian, however we are not religious people especially me. But her family is very religious and would like me to convert. this is one of the reasons for K-1 otherwise I would have to convert to her religion.
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Well you haven't gave me any details on why this is, just general statement. not so helpful in my mind
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can you elaborate why that would be?
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She will have to get a New ID when she is back in the country. Why do you ask?
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Thank you for the answers. Yes their are no documents and the reason for the divorce is a sad story. Her first husband hid that he had a first wife, and she was the 2nd wife. When she found out she just divorce and end it like one of the other posters mentioned, they say lets end and it's over. We are doing our due diligence and just making sure there is no record anywhere but she is pretty confident that their is no document of it. As far as the birth certificate, that sounds like good news. Even if they don't have record of her original birth certificate, they may be able to create her one? Both her parents are deceased though, and she only has siblings. thanks for the answers, I really appreciate it.
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I'm in the process of filling out the I-129F for me and my Fiancé. However there are serveral questions and concerns I have. My Fiancé' comes from a very poor background and village upbringing. She has no official birth certificate as just born in the home. She was also married through nikah siri which is not legally recognized and is somewhat common in Indonesia for Muslims. She is divorced but since nikah siri is only religious Islamic marriage, and not legally recognized she has no marriage certificate or divorce certificate. How should we answer the question of her being divorced, since there is no official record by the government in Indonesia.