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Our case is in Jerusalem, we are in Armenia now. I heard if they didn't ask for your passports it's likely your AP may take awhile. Once AP is done, I believe you go back to the embassy to pick them up. If you intend to stay in Israel, it will be cheaper if you stay in East Jerusalem or Bethlehem. Both are West Bank, but it'll be $40/night instead of like $200/night in Israel.

i wish they'd just hire more people or relocate existing workers from other departments. 256 days and counting just for the last CEAC update... our lives have been so disrupted by this process...

Hi, wishing you the best, I'm also in AP, been in AP for 8 months with a Russian fiancé. You aren't alone! Check out the regional forums for MENA if you haven't.

i don't know my partner handled it (sorry), i think its the normal procedure as with other schengens.

In our situation we got 221g and it's been 9 months. They asked for a CV, we gave them the CV, then months later they asked for the CV to include his high school information. Our case has not been updated since August 20th, 2023 in the CEAC website.

I just wanna chime in that if you guys apply for a multi-entry Schengen they can give you single-entry instead, so plan accordingly. In our case we applied for a multi-entry Spanish Schengen, were given a single-entry (which messed up our timeline to get to Warsaw) and were able to transfer to Jerusalem saying we could not legally get to Warsaw.

sorry about the situation, 221g sucks and so does the k-1 visa, it doesn't process quickly enough to justify the wait time compared to the cr-1 anymore on the bright side, as a spouse you will have more rights to stay with your spouse while waiting for the US to take its sweet time to process our cases...

I don't know if I can post sources but here: https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdfs/Immigrants/Administrative-Processing-FAQ.pdf https://sstech.us/blogs/221g-and-administrative-processing/ Lots of good stuff from universities. I guess a good amount of students get hit with 221g too...

@millefleur I was doing some reading on SAO processing of 221g and I found more things you may want to include in the pinned thread: Things you would be doing in the US that can get you flagged: Graduate level studies Teaching Conducting research Exchange programs Receiving training/employment (is this not most people once they settle???) "Engaging in commercial transactions" (again, is this not most people???) Technology alert list industries (suspected) i. Conventional Munitions; ii. Nuclear Technology, Physics, and Engineering; iii. Rocket Systems and Unmanned Air Vehicle; iv. Navigation, Avionics and Flight Control; v. Chemical, Biotechnology and Biomedical Engineering; vi. Remote Sensing, Imaging and Reconnaissance; vii. Advanced Computer/Microelectronic Technology; viii. Materials Technology; ix. Information Security; x. Laser and Directed Energy Systems Technology; xi. Sensors and Sensor Technology; xii. Marine Technology; and xiii. Robotics Urban Planning Nationalities most effected: DOS state sponsors of terrorism list (Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) The five nonproliferation export control countries (China, India, Israel, Pakistan and Russia) I did not know Israel was in that list, given how close ties between the US and Israel are, and how many dual nationals and marriages exist. I'll leave it up to you but it may be worth making pinned threads for other regional portals, too. And for anyone else reading, I found this too! Pretty cool huh? Feels like we are the cast of Kung Fu Panda

After our interview, the CO told my fiancé to expect a 2 month wait or less, then in December/January they told us to expect 9 months, then in February/March they told us its usually 4 months but can be longer. (They being Jerusalem). It's possible expected wait times changed each time they gave us a number, but their variance is huge! Given that its been 8 months of 221g, the overall K-1 process being on its 3rd year, and apparently writ of mandamus currently useless because the judge thinks 16 months of administrative processing is reasonable, I'm just feeling kind of anxious/desperate. Here's to hoping for the best for all of our cases here on VJ!

@big_tex_69 Did you find any info on expected timelines during your research?

Been in AP since August 20, 2023! 8 months soon!

I've been in AP for 8 months now, but Israel went to war so their processing was limited for several months. I wish they were more transparent in their process. I heard writ of mandamus is not working as of late because the cases are being tossed by the judge, and I heard something about a Freedom of Information Act but I don't see the point of that.

Do you think Russian applicants are heading toward the Turkey/Iran/Middle East route of "never-ending AP/DS-5535"? Also, is the pinned post in the works? Or do you think if it's a DoS decision, they'll just find new excuses for AP?

VJ user BeauH had a government job and his fiance was also put into AP so your background may have contributed to it as well

Sure, I don't mind. I think the website itself is a good starting point and it may just be worth copy-pasting their suggestions of what applicants should bring to their interview. You also mentioned applicants with military background or weapons experience, I have no idea what papers they should be bringing. Finding examples of military-related AP and what those applicants were asked to bring would be good to include in the sticky. Regarding technical backgrounds, I recall a Cuban biologist on VJ being put in AP, and Chinese graduate students being put in AP - a lot of US universities actually have pages on AP for international students who get flagged. However, it's not always the beneficiary who (likely) causes the case to go into AP - BeauH was the petitioner for his Russian fiancé, had a government job, and was put in AP. It may be worth reminding applicants to look at themselves, too, not just their beneficiaries. Beyond petitioner/beneficiary red flags for AP, and suggestions on what to bring to the interview, I don't think there's much else to add. Maybe relevant VJ threads relating to AP?

I guess telling people ahead of time to bring their birth certificate, prison records, police certificates, and divorce certificates to the interview encourages people to falsify information, too. I also guess some of us know more than the official US Embassy in Israel! Our immigration process discourages fraud at every point. Cost of applying, wait time for applying, harsh punishments for fraud, and a long vetting process. If "law-abiding" folks are suffering (from what, wait times?) you can't just blame it on "bad actors." There will always be bad actors. There will always be fraud. You need the process to vet out the fake applications, and if embassies have higher workloads than they can handle, you need to hire more workers or just let wait times get bad. There is a chance had my fiancé been told to bring his education and research papers to the interview, the officer would have been able to make a decision on the spot. Maybe she would find some other reason to send us into AP, I don't know. I think other Americans with educated fiancés should be advised to bring their research/conference/education info with them. After all, if they avoid the AP process this way, that also frees up time and resources for the embassy to process other applicants!

Yeah... my fiancé: is a Russian national from a military base town has a Chemical degree previously worked as a chemical engineer is now a software developer one of his brothers is low-level ex-military the other one is low-level government Yikes! I think we hit every red flag they have. But hey, they don't seem to doubt our relationship is bona fide! Thank you for letting me know! There was another guy who did a WOM for Warsaw and he got an approval right away, @BeauH. I definitely don't want to force a decision when they "don't have enough info" though and get a denial... but I don't know what else to do if AP ends up taking a year I think it's cool that Israel is looking out for their applicants, that might be why Israeli threads seem few and far between on the forum. The consular officer doing my fiancé's interview in Jerusalem DID ask for his college papers at the interview, and he told her that it wasn't on the list of papers to bring. She said it was the only thing she needed to see to determine whether or not he would be able to support himself in the US/get a skilled job with his qualifications. My income hit the requirements for a household of 3, but because he would be "joining our household", I was expected to hit requirements for a household of 4. (This is also something I wasn't aware of when preparing for the interview and making sure I hit income requirements). We did prepare his bank statements and proof of salary but the officer was insistent on also seeing education. And don't feel bad! It's not well-known info, I didn't find this page until late in my AP journey, and only because I was also at Jerusalem! Had it been a different embassy, that page wouldn't have shown up in my google search results. (It also never showed up in all those "visa help" videos I binged on YouTube). I just thought I would share since it does seem to be useful advice. We're all in it together!

I really just wish I knew why it was taking so long. Every time I email asking for an update, they send an email telling me they can't tell how long it will take, to check the CEAC status website, and sometimes offer their condolences (which actually does make me feel better!). Is it still in the embassy, sitting on someone's desk? Are they processing "easier" cases to get their quota up for the day and ignoring our case? Has our case been sent from the embassy to the FBI to be processed? Is it hard for them to access or check Russian sources from Israel? Has the case switched case officers because of the war? (As of January 24 I think, they've returned to normal processing capacity, so that's one mystery solved). Does it stay with the same officer? Why do they care what high school my partner went to? Are they stalling or is it actually important? Will we have to write a writ of mandamus? They can't tell us. I know they can't tell us. I wish they could tell us.

I came across this page on the Israeli Embassy website that may interest you, millefleur: https://il.usembassy.gov/visas/administrative-processing/ They suggest to Israeli individuals who work or study in scientific and technical fields to come to the embassy with additional documents: Applicants who present detailed information at the time of their interview help U.S. government officials process their cases more expeditiously and efficiently. We suggest applicants prepare the following detailed information (in English) for the interview: Applicant: Name and passport number Work Experience: Detailed description of current and past work; Resume/Curriculum Vitae: A detailed resume/CV that includes: -Present and previous work, including dates. -Educational background, including institution, dates, fields of study, degree, research topic and funding sources. -List of publications including titles, topics, and dates. – Research expertise, military service, computer training or other specialized training. Educational/Research Background: Name of institution(s), dates of attendance, field(s) of study, degree(s) obtained, and research topics; Publication List (as applicable): Titles, topics, dates of publication, and brief abstracts or summaries; Travel: Countries visited in the past 5 years – list the year and country. Trip itinerary: Date(s), location, and purpose of the visit and any relevant addresses, and contact information (as applicable) of companies, conferences, and/or institutions. If the Israeli embassy is suggesting Israelis bring CVs to their interviews, it might be worth telling people coming to the forum to bring it to their interviews, too. Maybe it'll save other poor souls from even entering the 221g process! I definitely wish I had been told to prepare a CV for the interview, but it doesn't seem to be common advice.

They asked for CV 6 months ago, we provided CV and college diploma 5 months ago, they emailed us today asking for a CV that includes his high school education. ??? You can't go to college in Russia without a high school degree? Normal CV's only include high school if you haven't gone to college? They didn't ask for high school education specifically in their initial request, they asked my fiance for college and work which we provided? The frustration is infinite.

This is incredibly helpful information for someone in 221g, albeit for a different area of the world! Thank you!

You don't know ahead of time if she will be put into administrative processing, or how long it will take to issue the visa. I would get refundable tickets if you do decide to stay on your route.

We applied for a Schengen and were given single-entry and argued we could not legally enter Poland and were not willing to break the law, Jerusalem accepted a transfer in our case after that. Others did not have to even get a Schengen visa to obtain transfers. We also cannot apply at our current country of residence (Armenian embassy is small and already overloaded with local and Iranian cases) but we didn't bother mentioning that.

We were told to have our medical done and physically in-hand for when we attended our interview. You should probably do your medical exam and attend the 2nd interview, and bring the medical file with you (or whatever the embassy requested).