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Really? i was under the impression that it was the slowest one since the embassy is clearly backlogged...

can we find out if the processing time is dependent on the country

Okay thank you for that guidance on the time frame.... that link you shared seems to talk about Ecuador...it may not apply to Pakistan...

Do you know what the current time for this category for the country of pakistan. On the visa bulletin I saw that the final act was 2015 for the i130 and for NVC it was 2017...My calculation is telling me more than 9 year for i130 if I am not reading it wrong that is. Is that true? And what do you mean about Biden rolling out Parole, not sure I understand what that means...what is going on? Am I missing something? Honestly i could care less but I just gave a short version of what the husband and second wife did.

So there has been some development to this now: The husband passed away just 2 days ago... The husband and the other wife and youngest son were in canada recently and from what I understood since my SIL has no idea what type of immigration they went on, applied for change of status in canada. However the husband got sick and was admitted in the ICU twice a month and a half ago so the second wife sent him back to Pakistan. The wife stayed behind but sent the kid. The husband came back and few weeks later got very sick and had a heartattack and was admitted in ICU. Eventually the doctors told the family in Pakistan that he had only few days left to live. So that said, he passed away yesterday in Pakistan while his other wife was in Canada. Now she is returning and not sure what her canadian status will be but I believe she was working and had submitted her passport. Honestly I don't care about what will happen to her and her kid. Now that my SIL is widowed and she has 2 daughters, can we go ahead and complete the i130 application process? If yes, then do we need her husband's death certificate at this stage? What is the overall processing time from stage 1 to all the way to embassy stage? Are we looking at 7 to 8 years? does anyone know what year is Pakistan embassy is currently working on for F1 visa category? Would her having kids come into play here? Her daughters are 12 and 18 so what are their chances of immigrating with their mom under CSPA? TIA

oh definitely...but will need factual information in order to do that...but yes i am trying to convince my in-laws to do that... lol i never watched Meghan and harry and their family drama but yea i guess this qualifies lol

No I do not. What I have been told is that he applied for the visa last year and got a visa and did go to canada with his other wife and his other kids. at my SIL's visit visa interview they asked her and the youngest daughter if they had any family in Canada and she answered truthfully and that is how we found out that he applied for the immigration for the girls as well. so not sure what type of visa he has. I only know what has been told to me. please do not ask me about this because I don't have sufficient information about the husband and his canadian immigration or whatever the hell he did. all I wanted to know was about my SIL and the derivatives and choices my mother has.

good to know and interesting. I will keep that in mind. trying to convince my MIL to report the dad at this point. yes as far as I know the girls never been to canada on immigration visa. I don't even know if they got it. I feel like he only mentioned the girls or tried to apply for them under the pretense of his other wife as step children or real one, that I do not know and neither does the girls only the husband knows. anyways i am not sure what the girls' future is but it seems to be complicated...

okay got it. thanks.

i did exact search about the derivatives and who qualify, i found that not everyone qualifies as derivatives (aged out children) and step children was among that so unless i found something that was not correct but that is what I found.

when I first saw this my thoughts immediately was that the second wife is alive and is still married so they are not my SIL stepchildren so she doesn't include them but then I got different answers here. so now I am even more confused. so what will she list those 2 other kids as?

which is why I posted and I had confusion on what to do...now I am getting conflicting answers.

people are pointing out that she will have to list her stepchildren in the i130 process when my MIL files for her. She has 2 biological daughters and 2 stepchildren from the dad and his other wife.

Her 2 daughters are her biological daughters but her 2 stepchildren (sons) are not hers so the answer is that 2 biological children and 2 step children. and you are right Pakistan does not do adoption. My thoughts are that the father listed the kids in the immigration as stepchildren since the girls did not go to canada with him when he last traveled. that is what I know don't know the details of it. Like i said he keeps things secret from my SIL so half the time she doesn't know what he is doing.

I have a feeling that the Canadian immigration is already alerted of the dad's fraud at this point since he tried to get the daughters to immigrate with him on family visa and since he doesn't have any family in canada and since US and Canadian immigration talks, it is already flagged. plus the dad only went to Canada once and for 1 month and didn't go back to this date which if it is anything like US then it is already more than 6 months he is abroad. He applied for the daughters but never took them so not sure if they were given visa or not. I doubt it. state laws: noted, will do the research before MIL applies. and thank you appreciate the prayers. hopefully we can officially help her get out of this.

I don't know if the documents are adoption papers since in Pakistan adoption is not highly or publicaly recognized thing because that I will have to check. My best guess is that for the canadian immigration the dad listed the children under his other wife just like my SIL will have to list the step childrens regardless. I was assured and told by the oldest daughter that her dad was the one who fixed the birth certificate or they found the birth certificate that has the SIL listed as the mother. not sure which one is the right one because even the oldest daughter only has what is given to her. but yes it is likely that while my SIL was in the hospital the dad may have listed the other mother as mother but I have to double check that and probably check the Pakistan's NADRA system and the original B-Form. So that is something I will tell my MIL to look into it.

don't get me wrong here, I already know that she has to be 100% honest about it and rest is up to the officer to decide but I wanted to know if it is possible that my MIL can apply for her daughter even though her husband is the one in fraud situation and not her daughter and that whether his actions will effect her immigration or not. but I got my answer on that. I am not guiding her to be dishonest in any stage of her life or immigration process.

I have a question only because I read it somewhere: yes she is bound to report her whole family but by law derivatives only includes immediate relatives right? it doesn't include step-children, is that true?

okay got it...that helps clear things up a bit. I will sure to relay the information to my MIL. thank you.

okay thank you... I guess we can just apply with all the facts and wait and see what happens when the time comes. do you know if dna testing can be done prior to making the cases for granddaughters? or is that something the uscis or consular requests and then it is done?

another follow-up question: is she responsible for the acts of her husband or is she accountable for the things he did in the eyes of the law? He is always keeping her on the blindside so half the time she has no idea what he does.

No she is not. She has no intentions of getting married again or staying in that old marriage. If she is not practicing polygamy and is not intending to then my MIL can apply for the daughter right?

I have broken down all the questions you have asked me above. Firstly: it is not my name or my immediate relative. I am asking on behalf of my mother-in-law who wishes to apply for her daughter and wants to add her grand daughters for derivative. MIL will be listing her daughter's marriage at the i130 stage and I am hoping either the husband dies by NVC stage or the daughter divorces by then (which is unlikely). The daughter did not do any illegal activities or any fraud. that was all on the husband but unfortunately the daughter is paying the price. I know polygamy is a big no in USA and hence I asked if my mother-in-law can only apply for the daughter alone and her 2 biological kids and not include the husband when the time comes to move to usa. I was given a yes by some people here so I am lost now. The birth certificate lists my SIL and her husband as the biological parents now. The b-form, not sure about that. I have to find that out. B-form and NADRA issued birth certificate are 2 different documents in Pakistan. Yes Pakistan has that law and unfortunately many people do not follow it and if you are closely following or even reading how the justice system in pakistan is corrupt then you will know that even as per this law it is corrupt. My sister-in-law married her husband in good will and unknowingly to her, the husband went ahead and got married to his lover while he was married to my SIL. She didn't know until after she was pregnant and had her first born. no one in our family knew. I don't know how things work in morocco or any other muslim country, but Pakistan does not follow the Islamic laws and not even its own laws. that is how much the system is corrupt and often people just accept their fate and stay in such relationships because they have kids with that person and do not report it. My SIL, a victim of domestic abuse, decided to stay in the marriage and not report when she should have (we are talking about 16 plus years ago) the law was recently enforced heavily. so the answer to your question whether she was his first wife or not, we don't know because he married her and a month later he brought in the second wife. She doesn't want to list the step-children since they are not her biological kids and she is not responsible for them. her husband and his other wife are responsible for the step-children. she only wants to bring her daughters (when the time comes). She is not planning on omitting any information about her life including her husband and his marriages but the question is the same: does she have to list her husband and his other family at the nvc stage? Wouldn't his family not be her immediately family since they are not biologically related to her? I read somewhere that you cannot add stepchildren as derivative...because my understanding is that husband will not be able to immigrate with her since he is married more than once and he doesn't want to either and neither does she want to include him. But for her kids, she is worried and wanted to know what her options are. I already got that it is a long wait since she is married and unless she divorces the husband she sort of is stuck. The way divorce works in pakistan is not that simple since the husband has connections and can easily not give her a divorce even though the law allows her to get one. basically the husband screwed her and well she is stuck and the system is not on her side. Pakistan law and system is not that white and black like American system is, at least here you can get justice if you are a woman but in Pakistan it is not that easy. It has all sorts of shades. We are looking for legal ways and not illegal ways and I am trying to make her understand that she needs to file for divorce but that is a long battle and my only hope at this point is that she sees sense and divorce or the husband dies (due to his health conditions).

I understand that the daughters had no chance. Prior to applying for visitor's visa, they fixed the birth certificate. However just to be on the precautionary side: could we do DNA testing if the SIL ends up applying for her kids?

Okay I got that. Either the husband dies before we apply or she divorce him the process will take longer since she is married. Pakistan divorce system is not that simple. She can file for divorce and because she is a woman the chances of her getting a divorce is slim if he has connection.