The problem is more and more people are being taught to take everything seriously, they want respect without earning it. I have not been around VJ quite as long, will be 10 years this December, but I do remember most of those names and are friends with some. I do miss Val and her stance on using violence, we did find one thing in common, a love of craft beer. I also miss the back and forth in CEHST, LiB, and Jacques were fun to watch.