RandyW

You don't have relatives in your home town who can go to the PSB for you? But, yes - either they produce the notarial certificate forr you, or you can explain why it was unobtainable. I'm going to guess that the folks at the PSB may very well surprise you. The attorney may be better able to draft the letter of explanation if not.

From his web site ( https://lawandborder.com/china-police-certificates/ ) The update on the page is dated March 3, 2022 1. Client Questionnaire: Each person seeking a police certificate should fill the below Client Questionnaire. We will treat your information confidentially. Client Questionnaire 2. Pay the Research Fee: The research fee is USD 150 (RMB 1050) for each police certificate you want a quote for. You can pay here by RMB bank transfer, USD credit card, or USD eCheck (ACH). 3. Submit Your Documents: Please provide to us scans of the documents listed here. Your quote will include: A list of the steps we will take in your case. The strategy we propose for dealing with any potential difficulty. A prediction of whether the police certificate will be issued or will be unobtainable (in which case we will need to gather and prepare evidence that the certificate is unobtainable). The legal fees we will charge. Our firm’s legal fees typically range from USD 450 to 800 per police certificate application. (The fee may be more if, for example, we need to visit more than 2 government agencies.) If the certificate is unobtainable, we typically charge an additional USD 1200 to gather evidence and prepare a declaration to be submitted to foreign immigration authorities that the certificate is unobtainable. Our quote will include a discount if you are applying for multiple certificates or if multiple family members are applying at the same time. Estimated processing time: Processing times vary by city but are typically 7-10 weeks. After the police certificate is issued, we will send it to you via international courier, such as FedEx. I have to hope you weren't scammed by a different website. His most recent response on his website is dated Dec. 15, 2022

What does he tell you about why it is taking so long? I have a good impression of him, but no experience with him or knowledge of anyone else's experience with him. I'm sure that getting the certificate is fraught with peril, but knowledge of what the difficulties are should be enough to explain why you can't get it.

I think he is trying to trip himself up over a technicality - he WAS admitted in an Immigrant Class of Admission. The USCIS wording I believe is simply on over-simplication of the issue. However, it may be subject to legal interpretation - but my own (non-professional) understanding of the legalese is that yes he WAS admitted on an "immigrant visa". So what he needs to decide here is simply - Does he want to get a lawyer to answer this question for him?

What Is the Purpose of Form I-90? This application is used by lawful permanent residents and permanent residents in commuter status to apply for replacement or renewal of existing Permanent Resident Cards. From Dept. of Homeland Security Immigrant Classes of Admission - https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/lawful-permanent-residents/ImmigrantCOA Asylees AS6 Asylees GA6 Iraqi asylees SY6 Syrian asylees AS7 Spouses of AS6 Didn't YOU tell US that ??!?

I'm sure Jim's already seen this, but for anyone else who may be looking into it, there's this in the Federal register Suspension of Entry as Nonimmigrants of Certain Students and Researchers From the People's Republic of China A Presidential Document by the Executive Office of the President on 06/04/2020 Proclamation 10043 of May 29, 2020 Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to: . . . (v) any alien who is studying or conducting research in a field involving information that would not contribute to the PRC's military-civil fusion strategy, as determined by the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the appropriate executive departments and agencies (agencies);

A slightly longer list from Wikipedia - "In June 2021, a survey of 310 students showed that most of students who had been rejected studied at one of the following eight universities: Beihang University, Beijing Institute of Technology, Harbin Institute of Technology, Harbin Engineering University, Northwestern Polytechnical University, Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Nanjing University of Science an"d Technology and Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications, or was funded by China Scholarship Council.[3] And this Chinese language link from the Wikipedia article - Mengduan Order No. 10043: Chinese students who have been refused visas plan to sue the US government

Thank you - you, too.

This may or may not help - I know you don't like to read the New York Times. I'm sure you've seen other articles about specific cases - see if they're on or not on this (very short) list. U.S. to Expel Chinese Graduate Students With Ties to China’s Military Schools The move is the latest in the Trump administration’s efforts to impose limits on Chinese students. But university officials say the government is paranoid, and that the United States will lose out. The link in that article may contain more information for you from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute The China Defence Universities Tracker "At least 15 civilian universities have been implicated in cyberattacks, illegal exports or espionage."

Your wife is a fully documented Chinese citizen, and should not have any trouble getting a "white book" 出生公证书. The certificate will reflect whatever the hukou records say about her "parents'.

Chinese records are kept in the hukou books. Each hukou has a city where it is registered. They will have a copy of the same information at that location. As far as I know, the consulate is still requiring the "white books" Notarial Ceritifcate of Birth even for those who more recently (since around 1994 or so) were issued Medical certificates of Birth. Again, the "white books" are generated on the spot by the notarial official from existing records. But pretty much EVERY Chinese citizen applying for a foreign visa needs to go through the same thing. It is surprising that no one was able to help you with this - but it doesn't help when someone tries to tell THEM what information is supposed to be on a "birth certificate". Chinese records and official documents are what they are.

They don't OBTAIN any document - they GENERATE the 出生公证书, or chu sheng gong zheng shu from the information in the hukou book. The Notarial Certificate of Birth is simply a statement of the notarial official's understanding of the circumstances of your wife's birth. You HAVE the hukou - that is all that is needed. You can also present her ID and passport.

Simply go to the Notarial Office, or Gong Zheng Chu (公证处) and ask for a 出生公证书, or chu sheng gong zheng shu. This is NOT a problem.

Neither the Dept. of State nor the Consulate can dictate what documents need to be issued by the Chinese authorities. The Consulate RECOGNIZES this, and expects a standard Chinese document. The notation on the notarial birth certificate is 出生公证书, or chu sheng gong zheng shu.

She is registered in a hukou, no? If so, what does it say? If she has a Chinese ID she is a fully registered Chinese citizen and should have no trouble obtaining a Notarial Certificate of Birth from the Notarial Office, or Gong Zheng Chu (公证处).