US Immigration from Netherlands

I have not seen state related forums but please move if there are and I missed it.

I was wondering if there are people in Michigan who moved here and would like it to make something like a Michigan WhatsApp group to help each other out, share MI travel destinations, information and maybe one day meet up? I'd love to hear experiences from other members who specifically moved to Michigan.

I wanted to reply to a thread in here from a Japanese person wanting to move to Europe but that thread is over a year old so I decided to just open a new one because I couldn't find anything about it through the search and some people might be interested!

I moved to the US from the Netherlands but before that I filed for a resident permit for my American husband in The Netherlands and 2 extensions (nearly 10 years total). The permit we got is literally the easiest way to move to Europe but it has its cons! But depending on your situation it might just be exactly what will work for you, it worked for us!

You can easily move to The Netherlands through the DAFT (Dutch American Friendship Treaty) or the DJTA (Dutch Japanese Trade Agreement). If you meet all the requirements your visa will NOT be denied and you can start your life in The Netherlands pretty quickly. But it has the downside that you need to provide for yourself either with your savings or with the revenue of the business you will set up there. In our case my husband had enough savings and I worked. I just couldn't file for a family based permit back then because I did not meet the income threshold back then, so this was the best option for the initial permit and the 1st extension, we changed it to family based with the second extension when I was financially stable.

This process is perfect if you are an entrepreneur and would love to start your business in Europe. Unlike The United States, you do not have to invest a lot. All you need to invest is 4500 euros and keep that in your bank account, should never get under!! If you are already making money now and you can work from anywhere in the world, all you would have to do is set it all up and move your income to the Netherlands and you're set. You can file for Dutch citizenship after 5 years. Be aware though (certainly as an American, not sure about Japanese) that you might not appreciate the income tax rate in The Netherlands or other costs of living! I am just explaining the possibility for those who would like to move to Europe (The Netherlands in this case).

Below some links with information. Once in The Netherlands you can freely move and stay up to 90 days per 180 days in any of the Shengen countries: https://ind.nl/en/travelling-within-the-schengen-area-with-a-residence-permit-or-visa

So it's financially not for everyone. It is an expensive permit (was around 1275 euros back in 2013, not sure how much it is now but probably close to 1500 euros) plus the costs for your business startup (won't break the bank but will add up to the rest), housing costs and the 4500 (approx. $4800) you will have to let sit in your bank account for all the years you are there on that particular permit without being able to touch it. You will not be able to get any government benefits and you are not able to work, except in your own business.

So 'easy' is maybe not the right word, but for those with loved ones in Europe who are inadmissible to the USA or can not move to the USA (yet) for other reasons, and might not meet the income threshold (yet) for a family based permit this might be a way to be together.

Or for those who are born entrepreneurs and are confident that they can build something to support themselves, it is a great option. I am posting it because this option is not promoted (at least not when we started the process), you have to know about it because someone told you. So here you go.

Some information from the IND (Dutch USCIS) website:

Requirements of the Dutch-American Friendship Treaty or Dutch-Japanese Trade Treaty

Do you want to call on the Dutch-American Friendship Treaty or Dutch-Japanese Trade Treaty? These requirements apply:

• You meet the general requirements that apply to everyone.
• You have the nationality of United States of America (US) or Japan.
• One of these situations applies to you.
  • You trade between the Netherlands and the United States of America or Japan.
  • You develop and lead the business operations of a business in the Netherlands. This means that one of these situations applies to you.
    • You represent a US or Japanese business and have a key position (very important position) at that business.
    • You practise an independent profession. This does not apply if you work for or on behalf of the government or in the healthcare sector.
    • You invest a lot of money (substantial capital) in your business. The level of this sum depends on the form of your business. For most forms, the IND requires a minimum investment of 4,500. See the rules on substantial capital investment (only available in Dutch).

How we process your application per April 2024

Are you making a first-time application based on a treaty? Register with the Chamber of Commerce within 6 months after you received your residence permit. If you do not do this, the IND may revoke your permit.

Are you applying for an extension of your residence permit based on a treaty? The IND requires annual accounts of you and a balance sheet or income statement. This is to check if the company has been active and if the invested capital remained in the business.

https://ind.nl/en/residence-permits/work/residence-permit-self-employed-person#requirements

There is some information on sites of immigration lawyers about how you need a business plan and you need to trade between the US - Netherlands or Japan - Netherlands and that it must benefit Dutch culture, but that was not true for us. Unless that has changed (although that info was already floating around back then), this is all not needed. We opened a simple computer business, had no business plan and did not trade between the US and The Netherlands. In fact, we ha a pretty low revenue because for us it was mainly to add enough to my salary and not our only source of income. All we had to show with the extension was a statement by an accountant that the 4500 bucks was always the minimum in the bank account and was never spent. Other than that and a bunch of fresh paperwork, we had no issues getting the second 5-year permit. So do not believe everything you read, if you have an average IQ I am going to assume you will be able to handle this process easily yourself.

p.s. I have no idea how it works if you do it as a family! But I am sure there is some info to be found on that.

I hope it's useful to someone! I know I was happy back in 2012-2013 that someone told me about it o I am just paying it forward!

Hello all,

Any one able to book appointment from Amsterdam , Netherlands us consulate , using https://www.usvisaappt.com/visaapplicantui/home/appointment/create

us wait times portals says 18 days , i am not not able to see any dates this year oct and dec 2024 , i do not see any thing opened for 2025.

last time i came to Netherladns for us visa stamping in back 2019 , after that now ..i am trying to book an appointment do not see any dates.

I am a Pakistani doing an industrial PhD in the Netherlands. Whereas, my wife is a US citizen. We submitted our application for a CR-1 spouse visa in February 2022. It took one year for our I-130 to get approved and get an interview. My interview took place in July 2023 at the Amsterdam Embassy. After the interview, they asked for my CV along with information regarding my publications. It's been more than one year since my application was in administrative processing. We tried to reach the embassy through Senator and email, but the response is always the same: it is under administrative processing and you have to wait.

At this time, it's becoming difficult for me and my wife to plan ahead. Some of the lawyers suggested going for the Mandamus Lawsuit, but is it feasible at this stage, taking into account that it is expensive?

Hi friends!

I'm researching the AOS guide, but I know that recently the process for it has changed a bit. They used to have a fee for i-485, i-131 and the work visa thing in one. Since it's been seperated, there's no update on it on how to file those three payments, if you should do it separately, together.. Does anyone know if there's going to be an updated version of it? We'll likely file it in December, so we'd love to know what changed etc.