DS 230 part 2 and DS 156 pg 2

[SpiritAlight 1]

Hello Wonder-Full VJ Community,

Well, my life story is in here somewhere (Canada threads) so this is a follow up.

On the DS 156 form

page 2

question 38

the first bullet:

There are 2 questions, and I am a yes on the first and a no on the second.

What do I check?

Probably obviously YES, right?

On DS 230 part 2

page 3 of 4

question 30

part b:

here we go again with the crime of immoral blah blah, sorry

being none of us are sure about whether I would be construed as such

maybe I should put NO and be ready to tell my story at the Mtl. Consulate?

Any one reading this, and has had any similar stories, care to share your experience with me?

PM if you are shy to post.

Thanks!

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Hello Wonder-Full VJ Community,

Well, my life story is in here somewhere (Canada threads) so this is a follow up.

On the DS 156 form

page 2

question 38

the first bullet:

There are 2 questions, and I am a yes on the first and a no on the second.

What do I check?

Probably obviously YES, right?

On DS 230 part 2

page 3 of 4

question 30

part b:

here we go again with the crime of immoral blah blah, sorry

being none of us are sure about whether I would be construed as such

maybe I should put NO and be ready to tell my story at the Mtl. Consulate?

Any one reading this, and has had any similar stories, care to share your experience with me?

PM if you are shy to post.

Thanks!

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

[trailmix 77]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

lol

I may be over analyzing this...but if you really aren't sure Spirit - if it was me I would answer no. Here is my theory. It seems to me that in a few cases at least, there is a whole covering your butt mentality in these places. If this is true then if you answer yes, I don't know that you can rely on them to do their due diligence and research it and even if they do, they may not come to the correct conclusion.

So then you just have someone wrong saying "oh yeah, definately CMT - book em danno" - without discussion instead of the reverse.

Does this make sense ? IR5 do you believe it does fall under CMT?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

Ditto. Better to be upfront and then explain the circumstances me thinkssss, than say "nope, never" and be denied for misrepresentation or whatever it's called.

Good luck!!!

[Misty1979 0]

I think it all depends on whatever it is you were arrested for or charged with. I searched through the threads here but couldn't find your story, so I don't really know what your "crime" was, but I too would think carefully before checking off a yes for a CIMT. As trailmix said, I wouldn't trust whoever looks at your form quite enough to hope they look into matters further or ask questions before just declaring you ineligible to receive a visa.

The definition of a CIMT is so broad and subjective that one person may look at if differently than another. I'm sure giving someone a wedgie these days could be stretched to fit the definition of a CIMT, but I sure as heck wouldn't check off "yes" for that on my form.

Did you look through IR5FORMUMSIE's thread on what constitutes a CIMT? There may be some helpful info there.

Best of look to you either way

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Did you look through IR5FORMUMSIE's thread on what constitutes a CIMT? There may be some helpful info there.

Me posting helpful info? Heaven forbid.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

lol

I may be over analyzing this...but if you really aren't sure Spirit - if it was me I would answer no. Here is my theory. It seems to me that in a few cases at least, there is a whole covering your butt mentality in these places. If this is true then if you answer yes, I don't know that you can rely on them to do their due diligence and research it and even if they do, they may not come to the correct conclusion.

So then you just have someone wrong saying "oh yeah, definately CMT - book em danno" - without discussion instead of the reverse.

Does this make sense ? IR5 do you believe it does fall under CMT?

Yes. I believe it does. What I think of the USCIS' arbitrary and capricious definition, on the other hand, is hardly the topic of polite discourse.

[trailmix 77]

Yes. I believe it does. What I think of the USCIS' arbitrary and capricious definition, on the other hand, is hardly the topic of polite discourse.

Very true.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

Ditto. Better to be upfront and then explain the circumstances me thinkssss, than say "nope, never" and be denied for misrepresentation or whatever it's called.

Technically it is a crime of omission but the USCIS only sees it as one thing, fraudulent misrepresentation to gain immigration. Like Buckley's it may taste like ####### but hold your nose and it will be over in a little while. Now is not the time for hubris. Remember you are not really an applicant but more of a supplicant. Now get down and grovel! Hmmm...sounds strangely like something Len might say when wearing her Lady Heather outfit.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

Ditto. Better to be upfront and then explain the circumstances me thinkssss, than say "nope, never" and be denied for misrepresentation or whatever it's called.

Technically it is a crime of omission but the USCIS only sees it as one thing, fraudulent misrepresentation to gain immigration. Like Buckley's it may taste like ####### but hold your nose and it will be over in a little while. Now is not the time for hubris. Remember you are not really an applicant but more of a supplicant. Now get down and grovel! Hmmm...sounds strangely like something Len might say when wearing her Lady Heather outfit.

Why is that Moral Turpitude and my really cool outfits always seem linked.... HMMMMMMMM

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

Ditto. Better to be upfront and then explain the circumstances me thinkssss, than say "nope, never" and be denied for misrepresentation or whatever it's called.

Technically it is a crime of omission but the USCIS only sees it as one thing, fraudulent misrepresentation to gain immigration. Like Buckley's it may taste like ####### but hold your nose and it will be over in a little while. Now is not the time for hubris. Remember you are not really an applicant but more of a supplicant. Now get down and grovel! Hmmm...sounds strangely like something Len might say when wearing her Lady Heather outfit.

Why is that Moral Turpitude and my really cool outfits always seem linked.... HMMMMMMMM

No comment.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

No comment.

Have you read my one and only topic in OFF TOPIC>>>> seems I've found a new career....

[SpiritAlight 1]

I think it all depends on whatever it is you were arrested for or charged with. I searched through the threads here but couldn't find your story, so I don't really know what your "crime" was, but I too would think carefully before checking off a yes for a CIMT. As trailmix said, I wouldn't trust whoever looks at your form quite enough to hope they look into matters further or ask questions before just declaring you ineligible to receive a visa.

The definition of a CIMT is so broad and subjective that one person may look at if differently than another. I'm sure giving someone a wedgie these days could be stretched to fit the definition of a CIMT, but I sure as heck wouldn't check off "yes" for that on my form.

Did you look through IR5FORMUMSIE's thread on what constitutes a CIMT? There may be some helpful info there.

Best of look to you either way

Thanks Misty..here it is:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1269803

although at this point

I am getting the point.

I'm a Taurus.

I can't help being stubborn.

It's my nature....it always takes time for me to grasp a concept I do not find pleasurable.

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

Nice choice of words!

[SpiritAlight 1]

DS230, answer is yes. DS156 answer is yes. Better to show contrition, than intelligent thought.

lol

I may be over analyzing this...but if you really aren't sure Spirit - if it was me I would answer no. Here is my theory. It seems to me that in a few cases at least, there is a whole covering your butt mentality in these places. If this is true then if you answer yes, I don't know that you can rely on them to do their due diligence and research it and even if they do, they may not come to the correct conclusion.

So then you just have someone wrong saying "oh yeah, definately CMT - book em danno" - without discussion instead of the reverse.

Does this make sense ? IR5 do you believe it does fall under CMT?

Thanks for this, too.

My trepidation is being labeled as such on some immigration government computer system and then down the line, I apply for my AOS, etc. and they look and lo-and-behold A "CRIMINAL!"

sigh...

My gut says to say no to that second question on form 156 about the CMT, and my head, well, there is a battle going on.

Hahaha.

Consider yourselves lucky not to be me.

Once again thank you all for your kind and informative support!!!

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Oops one more thought; oh me and my A.D.D.

Bahaha!

Any mention of that Lady Heather outfit, and it conjures up all kinds of things in me.

There is a long story...but suffice it to say, it is good to laugh.

Thanks.

Edited November 8, 2007 by SpiritAlight

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Thanks for this, too.

My trepidation is being labeled as such on some immigration government computer system and then down the line, I apply for my AOS, etc. and they look and lo-and-behold A "CRIMINAL!"

sigh...

My gut says to say no to that second question on form 156 about the CMT, and my head, well, there is a battle going on.

Hahaha.

Consider yourselves lucky not to be me.

Once again thank you all for your kind and informative support!!!

You'll be fine sister -- just remember that these folks are NOT famous for being either understanding /compassionate /forgiving /discerning