Changing NAME after AOS approved

[chuckandkim 0]

Kim's AOS has been approved on March 3rd 2006. We are going to change her name but not sure where should we go first: SSA or DMV.

We live in Philly... Some folks mention they went to the DMV with the marriage license certificate and request for a name change, shouldn't be too difficult. THEN, with the newly printed ID card with the marriage name, go to the SSA for a name change on Kim's SSN Card.

My problem is: will it be too difficult to have her GC changed after we get the other two done (State ID and SSN Card)? and HOW?

Anyone can share their experience, we greatly appreciate!

Love,

Chuck and Kim

[ladybutterfly 0]

I remember asking the same question a while back. The Social Security and DMV systems are linked so I would get your SSN changed in your new name first. Once that has come through then I would go to the DMV.

[I'm Gone 60]

Kim's AOS has been approved on March 3rd 2006. We are going to change her name but not sure where should we go first: SSA or DMV.

We live in Philly... Some folks mention they went to the DMV with the marriage license certificate and request for a name change, shouldn't be too difficult. THEN, with the newly printed ID card with the marriage name, go to the SSA for a name change on Kim's SSN Card.

My problem is: will it be too difficult to have her GC changed after we get the other two done (State ID and SSN Card)? and HOW?

Just about every state verifies the driver's license application info against the SSN record, so that's probably going to be the last thing she does.

Are you saying she applied for the AOS with the maiden name? If that's the case it could present a problem if the marriage certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth. If the marriage certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth she will need two additional documents that SSA will accept for identity. One for the name that currently appears on her SSN record, which I assume is her maiden name and one with the name she is going to change it to, which I assume is the married name.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Name Data

The applicant may submit either:

One legal name change document showing both the old and new names (e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage document. The document must also show either (1) a description or photograph of the person or (2) biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data; or

When the name change document does not show either a photograph of the person or biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data, then, in addition to the name change document, the applicant must also submit two identity documents listed in RM 00203.200E. One of the submitted identity documents must show the old name (the name on the latest Numident record) AND the other submitted identity document must show the new name (the name to be shown on the corrected SSN card). The identity documents submitted must show either a photograph of the applicant or provide biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data.

a. Bride Takes Groom’s Last Name

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name (surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband’s last name, accept the marriage document as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even if the marriage document only shows each partner’s first names, the bride’s prior surname and husband’s surname. The marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets the criteria described in RM 00203.200G.2.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#G2

2. Determine if the ID Document Has Required Information

Ask the applicant to submit one or more documents that show the person’s name AND provide:

Biographical information in addition to the person’s name that the reviewer can compare with the data on the SS-5 (e.g., date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or

Physical information that the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description, photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document must have the person's name as well as information that can be compared to the Numident, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or parents' names).

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C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200

RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

6. Documents for Adult Age 18 and Older

ALIEN: Adult Age 18 and older

1. Primary Evidence

Request a current U.S. immigration document and an unexpired foreign passport.

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551 stamp/machine readable immigrant visa (MRIV) in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an unexpired foreign passport

-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card

-- Form I-688B, Employment Authorization card

2. Secondary Evidence

-- U.S. driver’s license (not expired)

-- U.S. State issued non-driver identity card (issued by the same State agency which issues driver’s licenses and not expired)

-- Marriage document

-- Medical record (clinic, doctor, or hospital)

NOTE: A receipt or a record of treatment recorded and maintained by the applicant or the applicant's family is not acceptable.

-- Health insurance or Medicaid card showing, in addition to the person’s name, either a photograph of the person or his/her DOB

-- School identity card (for current school year) showing, in addition to the applicant’s name, either a photograph of the applicant or the applicant’s DOB

-- Life insurance policy for the person showing his/her age or DOB.

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If the marraige certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth and the I-551 card is in her maiden name, she probably will need to get the driver's license in her maiden name and then get the I-551 in her married name. Then she will have an old name and new name identity document to use along with the marriage certificate to change the name on her SSN record.

[chuckandkim 0]

Thank you Mdyoung and ladybutterfly

After reading your responses, this is what i understand, correct me if I'm wrong:

Fact:

- Kim's PR is in her Maiden name

- Kim's State ID is in her Maiden name

- Kim's SSN Card is in her Maiden name

- Kim's DOB and Age appear on our Marriage Certificate, her Maiden name is on the MC as well.

Action:

- Arrive to the SSA with Kim's PR, State ID, SSN Card and MC

- Explain to them Kim would like to changer her Maiden name to her Marriage name as follow XXXXXXXXXX

IF this goes OK,

- Proceed to the DMV to change her STATE ID

IF this goes OK,

- How do you notify the USCIS that you have a NEW NAME? Can this possible? Troubles? How to get around it?

Am I still asking the same question? What am I missing?

Thank you MDYOUNG and Butterfly

love,

chuck and kim

Kim's AOS has been approved on March 3rd 2006. We are going to change her name but not sure where should we go first: SSA or DMV.

We live in Philly... Some folks mention they went to the DMV with the marriage license certificate and request for a name change, shouldn't be too difficult. THEN, with the newly printed ID card with the marriage name, go to the SSA for a name change on Kim's SSN Card.

My problem is: will it be too difficult to have her GC changed after we get the other two done (State ID and SSN Card)? and HOW?

Just about every state verifies the driver's license application info against the SSN record, so that's probably going to be the last thing she does.

Are you saying she applied for the AOS with the maiden name? If that's the case it could present a problem if the marriage certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth. If the marriage certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth she will need two additional documents that SSA will accept for identity. One for the name that currently appears on her SSN record, which I assume is her maiden name and one with the name she is going to change it to, which I assume is the married name.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Name Data

The applicant may submit either:

One legal name change document showing both the old and new names (e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage document. The document must also show either (1) a description or photograph of the person or (2) biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data; or

When the name change document does not show either a photograph of the person or biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data, then, in addition to the name change document, the applicant must also submit two identity documents listed in RM 00203.200E. One of the submitted identity documents must show the old name (the name on the latest Numident record) AND the other submitted identity document must show the new name (the name to be shown on the corrected SSN card). The identity documents submitted must show either a photograph of the applicant or provide biographical information that can be compared with the Numident data.

a. Bride Takes Groom’s Last Name

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name (surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband’s last name, accept the marriage document as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even if the marriage document only shows each partner’s first names, the bride’s prior surname and husband’s surname. The marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets the criteria described in RM 00203.200G.2.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#G2

2. Determine if the ID Document Has Required Information

Ask the applicant to submit one or more documents that show the person’s name AND provide:

Biographical information in addition to the person’s name that the reviewer can compare with the data on the SS-5 (e.g., date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or

Physical information that the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description, photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document must have the person's name as well as information that can be compared to the Numident, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or parents' names).

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C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200

RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

6. Documents for Adult Age 18 and Older

ALIEN: Adult Age 18 and older

1. Primary Evidence

Request a current U.S. immigration document and an unexpired foreign passport.

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551 stamp/machine readable immigrant visa (MRIV) in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an unexpired foreign passport

-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card

-- Form I-688B, Employment Authorization card

2. Secondary Evidence

-- U.S. driver’s license (not expired)

-- U.S. State issued non-driver identity card (issued by the same State agency which issues driver’s licenses and not expired)

-- Marriage document

-- Medical record (clinic, doctor, or hospital)

NOTE: A receipt or a record of treatment recorded and maintained by the applicant or the applicant's family is not acceptable.

-- Health insurance or Medicaid card showing, in addition to the person’s name, either a photograph of the person or his/her DOB

-- School identity card (for current school year) showing, in addition to the applicant’s name, either a photograph of the applicant or the applicant’s DOB

-- Life insurance policy for the person showing his/her age or DOB.

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If the marraige certificate doesn't have her age or date of birth and the I-551 card is in her maiden name, she probably will need to get the driver's license in her maiden name and then get the I-551 in her married name. Then she will have an old name and new name identity document to use along with the marriage certificate to change the name on her SSN record.

[I'm Gone 60]

After reading your responses, this is what i understand, correct me if I'm wrong:

Fact:

- Kim's PR is in her Maiden name

- Kim's State ID is in her Maiden name

- Kim's SSN Card is in her Maiden name

- Kim's DOB and Age appear on our Marriage Certificate, her Maiden name is on the MC as well.

Action:

- Arrive to the SSA with Kim's PR, State ID, SSN Card and MC

- Explain to them Kim would like to changer her Maiden name to her Marriage name as follow XXXXXXXXXX

IF this goes OK,

- Proceed to the DMV to change her STATE ID

IF this goes OK,

- How do you notify the USCIS that you have a NEW NAME? Can this possible? Troubles? How to get around it?

Since you say the marriage certificate has her DOB and age I would take that and the I-551 card and apply for the name change. Refer the SSA office to this:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Name Data

4. Name Change to a Name Different From Name on Immigration Document

Monica Mumma Stottlemyer applies for a replacement SSN card in her married name. She:

Completes an SS-5 showing her first name as Monica, her middle name as Mumma, and her last name as Smith;

Completes the other names used field, showing that name as “Monica (first name), Mumma Stottlemyer (last name);”

Signs the SS-5 as “Monica M. Smith;”

Submits a U.S. marriage document showing Monica Mumma Stottlemyer and John Smith married last week (the marriage document shows the dates of birth for Monica and John);

Submits a driver's license with her photograph that shows the name Monica M. Smith; and

Submits a DHS employment authorization card with her photograph and showing her name as “Mumma Stottlemyer, Monica.”

The U.S. marriage document supports the legal name change and is acceptable evidence of identity in both the old name and the new name because it shows biographical data (date of birth) that can be compared to the Numident record. Further, the name to be shown on the SSN card agrees with the name on the additional identity document in the new legal name (the driver's license).

SSA can process the name change request. Process the SS-5 to have the name “Monica (first name) Mumma (middle name) Smith (last name) to be shown in the card and enter “Monica (first name) Mumma Stottlemyer (compound surname) as an “other name used.” The compound surname must be entered the same way it is shown on the immigration document. Advise the NH to also contact DHS to change her surname to “Smith” with that agency.

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If the SSA office gives you a hard time ask for the office manager. Make sure you point out that SSA procedure only says to advise you to report the name change to DHS, the name change can still be processed if the marriage certificate has her age or DOB.

You should sill apply for an I-551 card in her married name at some point.

[chuckandkim 0]

Hello Mdyoung,

Thank you for the response. I will have to try your instruction at my local SSA.

Refresh my memory, what is the I-551 Card? (Green Card?) or the SSN Card?

Thank you thank you thank you

Another question: Do i need to reapply a GC for Kim in her Married name? Using the same form as if we lost her Green Card? Pay the $190 for it? Am I heading to the right direction?

[Kez/JWolf 6]

To get a New greencard you need to file form I-90 and pay $190 - $70 for fresh biometrics.... it is taking 200+ days to proccess I-90's

Good luck

Kezzie