CANCEL CHRISTMAS, JESUS NOT BORN DEC.25TH.

[nighthawk 0]

HO! HO! HO! Visajourney Amigos!

Today I bring not too good tidings from the scientific world. But first I must remind you of an important promise

that I made to you some time ago.

Some of you may recall that while I wrote a thread here at VJ on re-incarnation, it was seen by some as a

religious theme, while others thought my thread was actually more a spiritual theme...Nonetheless I wrote that

I would no longer post religious leaning threads.

Today I bring some sad news for the kiddies here at VJ. I do not see what I am about to show you as being

religious, but rather "the changings" of celebrations in the name of Christianity and Commercialism.

So you may want to take your newly bought presents back to Target and Walmart because Christmas is about

to be Canceled this year by President Bush...Now wouldn`t that go perfect with his legacy?

See the link below....Oh I can just see my favorite V/J`a, accusing me of playing the GRINCH this year.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...Cancel-Christma

[Nessa 23]

meds?

[Dr. Obvious 49]

But I need Christmas to get holiday days off of work!

[bhajishah 4]

True, it is the wests most notarized Pagan holiday. I believe that Easter time in more respects has more religious meanin than Christmas. Evil forces have taken over the prophets ISha birthday. so Lets keep his real birthday hidden shall we.??

[Mononoke28 135]

If I have to accuse you of anything, it would be as a spammer. That link shows a whole bunch of off the wall articles and I can't find anything regarding Christmas Day.

Diana

[nighthawk 0]

Cancel Christmas - Jesus was born June 17, say scientists

By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 9:57 AM on 09th December 2008

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Researchers tracked the 'Christmas star' to a reveal the date of Christ's birth as June 17

It may not be too late to send the presents back, as astronomers have calculated that Christmas should not be celebrated on December 25 - but on June 17 instead.

Researchers tracked the appearance of the 'Christmas star', which the Bible states three wise men followed to find Jesus.

Australian stargazer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years ago.

He discovered that a bright star really did appear over Bethlehem 2,000 years ago - but pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17, and not December 25.

Scientists claim the Christmas star was most likely a magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single 'beacon of light' which appeared suddenly.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

Mr Reneke, who is editor of Sky and Space magazine, said: 'We have software that can recreate the night sky exactly as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

'Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

'We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

'Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas star. There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we have from the time.

'This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.'

He added: 'December is an arbitrary date we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

'This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at the right time.

'Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce people's faith.'

Previous theories have speculated that the star was a supernova (exploding star) or even a comet.

But Mr Reneke says that by narrowing the date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation yet.

A leading theory behind why December 25 was chosen as the date to celebrate Christ's birth, was that it was selected by the church as it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, which allowed the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

However, if the findings are correct, it would mean a change from Christmas cards featuring traditional snowy scenes to sunny beach views in June.

Merry Christmas

Nighthawk

[Mononoke28 135]

Do people really care? It's more of a spiritual Holiday than anything else in my opinion. Besides, Christmas in hot June is not the same as having it in snowy December.

Diana

[Dr. Obvious 49]

I thought most Christians that knew Jesus wasn't born on Christmas, but since there is no other recorded birthdate, why not?

[Donna A 4]

actually i always heard it was in the fall...like october.

anyway merry christmas!!!

[Niels Bohr 72]

Well, the winter can sometimes be like in a void in space. Christmas has enliven the life in the winter. It makes people feel alive while living in the void.

Edited December 17, 2008 by Niels Bohr

[jundp 191]

I thought we all knew Jesus wasn't born on this date and the church just took over this date to coincide with the pagan festival of the winter solstice. Kind of like Easter being around the time of pagan fertility festivals, etc.

[HAL 9000 96]

So if we change Christmas to the summertime... will that change the winter pine tree tradition to a summer pine tradition?

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yeah this is old news, we just chose a day to celeberate it.

[chri'stina 190]

I thought most Christians that knew Jesus wasn't born on Christmas, but since there is no other recorded birthdate, why not?

Yeah...that's my view on it too. As a little kid I thought he was born on Dec 25th(no one told me that, I just thought it). Then I learned he wasn't but we celebrate it that day anyway.

[HAL 9000 96]

Although people in the southern hemisphere celebrate a summertime Christmas. Maybe its time to change things on them too.