Evidences for K-1

[3AD 0]

I just submitted my I-129F packet. I enclosed a mound of evidence, including color copies of letters with envelopes/stamps, phone bills, calling card account with call detail, chat logs, screen captures of chat and Skype sessions, emails, text messages. All told I probably had 50 pages of evidence. Now I'm worried -- do you think it will look too "staged" with all of that? Did I go overboard?

Thanks in advance folks.

3AD

[l.j./1999 1]

I did the same thing and it didn't cause any problems. I submitted lots of "unessential" evidence just to show the validity of our relationship, such as chat transcripts, e-mails, screenshots.

Our petition was promptly approved so I feel that the extra evidence didn't hurt us in any way. I think the key is to be organized so that the important forms and essential evidence of meeting in person is on top and separated from the other, less important items.

In hindsight I think I might've gone overboard and probably could've saved much of that "unessential" evidence for my fiance's interview. On the other hand, we felt more confident going into the interview phase knowing that the interviewer would have already seen the mountain of evidence we submitted with the original petition.

[arwensun1965 0]

As long as everything was put in the proper order then I cant see a problem. When Jon and I had our interview at the Embassy the staff made a comment on how well everything was in order.

Janice

[kaydee457 13]

I just submitted my I-129F packet. I enclosed a mound of evidence, including color copies of letters with envelopes/stamps, phone bills, calling card account with call detail, chat logs, screen captures of chat and Skype sessions, emails, text messages. All told I probably had 50 pages of evidence. Now I'm worried -- do you think it will look too "staged" with all of that? Did I go overboard?

Thanks in advance folks.

3AD

Hey, what you did, is what you did. Why fret over it now? Having said that it is my opinion that it's never a good idea to submit more than what's asked for.

There have been instances of people here in these forums being much delayed in the process due to questions raised by superfluous information that they themselves submitted.

Be assured that if you submit "evidence" to be evaluated that it may indeed be "evaluated" and may very well work against you.

Make no mistake; this process is adversarial !

[ForeverAmen 0]

When submitting your application to the USCIS, the most important thing is to prove that the two of you have physically met within the past 2 years.

[Yodrak 7]

3AD,

You just have to hope that the material that was essential to the petition does not get lost among all the material that was not essential.

And that there was nothing in the non-essential material that will be disadvantageous to your case. How carefully did you review it all before deciding which items to include?

Yodrak

I just submitted my I-129F packet. I enclosed a mound of evidence, including color copies of letters with envelopes/stamps, phone bills, calling card account with call detail, chat logs, screen captures of chat and Skype sessions, emails, text messages. All told I probably had 50 pages of evidence. Now I'm worried -- do you think it will look too "staged" with all of that? Did I go overboard?

Thanks in advance folks.

3AD

[trey 0]

I was under the impression that when you submit an I-129F, all you need is to prove you have met in person within the past 2 years. Evidence of an ongoing relationship must be provided (if asked for) at a later point. Am I right?

[Peter Miami 0]

Hi 3AD,

I did the same thing and more; a complete copies of my passport (which has triple the pages of most people because I travel internationally for work), over 30 pictures and a lot of everything. I got approved no problem!

Regards,

Peter Miami

[lizaanne 0]

I submitted way more than required as well and we were approved quickly as you can see from our timeline. I included stuff like an appraisal of my ring, documents signed my our priest that we went through engaged counseling, six photos of us, letters to each other, all sorts of stuff.

I had everything VERY organized. All the required documents clipped together, all the relationship stuff clipped together, everything was color coded and had cover pages to say what was included in each section, and then all the sections held together with one big clip. He will take one of the copies with him to his interview, along with all the originals used to create the original petition packet.

Good luck to you!!! It's such a great feeling when they finally approved that petition!!

~Liza

[zyggy 9]

I was under the impression that when you submit an I-129F, all you need is to prove you have met in person within the past 2 years. Evidence of an ongoing relationship must be provided (if asked for) at a later point. Am I right?

You are correct in theory... however not quite so correct in practice. While only submitting evidence that one has physically met in the past 2 years is the minimum standard, providing additional evidence on the genuine nature of the relationship can help one in the consulate phase of the process. A Consular Officer can only return a petition if they believe that there is additional evidence that would cause the USCIS to deny the petition. If one provides adequate evidence of a valid relationship, it makes it more difficult for the Consular Officer to send back a case to the USCIS on these grounds. If someone is going through a high fraud consulate, it may be prudent to submit additional evidence on the validity of the relationship. However, as Yodrak had mentioned, it is important to thoroughly review the evidence to make sure that what you may believe demonstrates the validity of a relationship may be viewed by a USCIS adjudicator as something entirely different.

Edited February 6, 2006 by zyggy

[irishgirl73 0]

I sent proof of our "on-going relationship" which in hindsight was NOT necesary. I sent copies of boarding passes, a copy of passport(to show all visits-when boarding passes were not available) hotel & car rental receipts & a few pages of phone bills. I just didn't want an rfe.

Now I wonder if that is what's holding up our petition? I think my packet was about 30 pages

Edited February 6, 2006 by irishgirl73

[Keigwyn 1]

we submitted what our attorney advised us which was

10-15 emails

3-5 pics with dates

about seven itenaries

one phone bill

letter of intent giving a potted history of our relationship - 1 side each

that was it!

good luck ! but now you are on vj all u need is here.

[irishgirl73 0]

Forgot to mention..........4 photos & the g-325a & letters of intent

Edited February 6, 2006 by irishgirl73

[kaydee457 13]

I was under the impression that when you submit an I-129F, all you need is to prove you have met in person within the past 2 years. Evidence of an ongoing relationship must be provided (if asked for) at a later point. Am I right?

You are correct in theory... however not quite so correct in practice. While only submitting evidence that one has physically met in the past 2 years is the minimum standard, providing additional evidence on the genuine nature of the relationship can help one in the consulate phase of the process. A Consular Officer can only return a petition if they believe that there is additional evidence that would cause the USCIS to deny the petition. If one provides adequate evidence of a valid relationship, it makes it more difficult for the Consular Officer to send back a case to the USCIS on these grounds. If someone is going through a high fraud consulate, it may be prudent to submit additional evidence on the validity of the relationship. However, as Yodrak had mentioned, it is important to thoroughly review the evidence to make sure that what you may believe demonstrates the validity of a relationship may be viewed by a USCIS adjudicator as something entirely different.

ziggy-

At the submittal stage the USCIS does not evaluate relationship evidence. The instructions accompanying the I-129F are clear enough and without ambiguity describing what's necessary on your part to meet the burden of proof and subsequently gain approval.

There's no reason to believe that submitting superfluous information at this point will help or hinder you at the Consulate interview. However, there have been instances whereby unsolicited information that was submitted by an applicant has resulted in the unwanted effect of generating questions and casting suspicions.

I know of two such instances reported in these forums.

There's nothing wrong with simply following the instructions and submitting what's asked for; no more, no less.

If relationship evidence was necessary, or evaluated at this stage then the instructions would ask for it.

The USCIS does evaluate relationship evidence at the AOS stage but this doesn't relate to the topic at hand.

[zyggy 9]

I was under the impression that when you submit an I-129F, all you need is to prove you have met in person within the past 2 years. Evidence of an ongoing relationship must be provided (if asked for) at a later point. Am I right?

You are correct in theory... however not quite so correct in practice. While only submitting evidence that one has physically met in the past 2 years is the minimum standard, providing additional evidence on the genuine nature of the relationship can help one in the consulate phase of the process. A Consular Officer can only return a petition if they believe that there is additional evidence that would cause the USCIS to deny the petition. If one provides adequate evidence of a valid relationship, it makes it more difficult for the Consular Officer to send back a case to the USCIS on these grounds. If someone is going through a high fraud consulate, it may be prudent to submit additional evidence on the validity of the relationship. However, as Yodrak had mentioned, it is important to thoroughly review the evidence to make sure that what you may believe demonstrates the validity of a relationship may be viewed by a USCIS adjudicator as something entirely different.

ziggy-

At the submittal stage the USCIS does not evaluate relationship evidence. The instructions accompanying the I-129F are clear enough and without ambiguity describing what's necessary on your part to meet the burden of proof and subsequently gain approval.

There's no reason to believe that submitting superfluous information at this point will help or hinder you at the Consulate interview. However, there have been instances whereby unsolicited information that was submitted by an applicant has resulted in the unwanted effect of generating questions and casting suspicions.

I know of two such instances reported in these forums.

There's nothing wrong with simply following the instructions and submitting what's asked for; no more, no less.

If relationship evidence was necessary, or evaluated at this stage then the instructions would ask for it.

The USCIS does evaluate relationship evidence at the AOS stage but this doesn't relate to the topic at hand.

Actually they do.. they are required to review everything that was submitted with the petition. The reason that providing additional evidence of the validity of the relationship is due to the reasons that I have stated above. Whether or not one wishes to provide this additional evidence and just submit a bare bone petition is up to the petitioner. However, Iif I knew I was going thrugh a high fraud consulate, I would take steps to do anything that could prevent a consular officer from sending a petition back to the USCIS.