Obama's Whiny Babies: Go Ahead, Leave The Party

[no name 1]

by attorney at arms, Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:37:12 PM EST

Have you seen this post by Chris Bowers over at OpenLeft?

or this one at the Huffington Post?

We're a big bunch of hypocrites laughing at the conservatives boo John McCain. Let's face it--a big faction of this party hates Hillary Clinton rabidly and is threatening to throw two year old temper tantrums if they don't get the person they voted for.

More on the flip...

Bowers:

I am a Democrat. I am my own local precinct captain, and I hold a seat on the Pennsylvania Democratic State Committee. Over the past four years, I have helped raise millions of dollars for Democrats. I believe in the primary process and intra-party democracy as a means of resolving disputes within the American center-left coalition

He then goes on to threaten to leave the party if the superdelegates swing the nomination.

Well, Chris, I hope you lose your seat on the Committee for this post. It's one thing for a voter to say that, but it's another for a person with a position of responsibility in the party to basically threaten to leave the party over this issue--which, make no mistake, is only being raised because right now Obama allegedly leads in pledged delegates, but is behind because of Superdelegate tallies.

If you think how much money you've gathered, or how famous you are in the blogosphere makes you some party elder, I'll tell you that all it makes you is a good fund raiser and a famous blogger. To me, you sound like a spoiled child and a shitty Democrat.

I agree that it's reprehensible that we have this system, and I would and have called for its reform. But for all we've been through in the last 8 years, I think it's remarkable how many people are showing their true stripes this primary season.

Listen to this one, from the HuffPo:

There is a deep divide in the Democratic party between Progressives and the traditionalists, like Hillary Clinton, that helped sell the rest of us down the river. ** If voters hate Hillary, they may simply stay home come November.

Basically, Obama supporters are threatening to abandon the party and stay home in November if we don't capitulate to their temper tantrums. Since a larger amount of Clinton supporters don't have a problem with Obama (like me), it's a winning strategy.

But don't pretend your being a little whiny ###### is some kind of idealized advocacy of democracy.

UPDATE: Can anyone to explain to me how Social Security FUD-ing, homophobic sympathizing, Cheney energy bill approving, war funding supporting Obama is some "progressive" miracle. Where were you purists when Edwards and Kucinich needed your help?

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Edited March 6, 2008 by illumine

[Dan J 277]

The real question is, what does the Democratic party, and at larger issue, our country, gain by Hillary continuing to persevere in this race?

What do we loose?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

If Obama had won either TX or OH last night it might be a question worth asking

If another candidate (say Edwards) who wasn't Clinton had won most of the big states (CA, NY, NJ, TX, etc) and had the delegates, fundraising and support she has - would you be asking them to leave the race when it was this close?

I'm not sure why Obama supporters think McCain is going to be easier to beat than Clinton

[GaryC 7]

The real question is, what does the Democratic party, and at larger issue, our country, gain by Hillary continuing to persevere in this race?

What do we loose?

I will tell you what you lose, the general election and seats in congress. And with that any hope of the Supreme Court moving to the left any time soon. Thank you Hillary!

[no name 1]

If Obama had won either TX or OH last night it might be a question worth asking

If another candidate (say Edwards) who wasn't Clinton had won most of the big states (CA, NY, NJ, TX, etc) and had the delegates, fundraising and support she has - would you be asking them to leave the race when it was this close?

I'm not sure why Obama supporters think McCain is going to be easier to beat than Clinton

Interesting map:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=...rm=decision2008

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Don't be so sure Gary.

Besides if both of them get their heads out of their a$$es they will run together and I doubt McCain will have a chance

[GaryC 7]

Don't be so sure Gary.

Besides if both of them get their heads out of their a$$es they will run together and I doubt McCain will have a chance

Not much chance of that.

[no name 1]

I suppose the record numbers of Dems turning out all over America to vote in the primaries has no effect on November's election?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Maybe they won't but I don't necessarily think a long protracted battle for the nomination is necessarily going to deliver a Republican the presidency - Republican turnout in the primaries does not bode well for the general election.

[GaryC 7]

I suppose the record numbers of Dems turning out all over America to vote in the primaries has no effect on November's election?

Yeah, and half of them are going to be really upset if Hillary keeps up her attempts to steal the election.

Maybe they won't but I don't necessarily think a long protracted battle for the nomination is necessarily going to deliver a Republican the presidency - Republican turnout in the primaries does not bode well for the general election.

McCain was chosen early on. Not much use in getting out the vote in a one man race. Watch what happens if Hillary is the opponent. They will come out of the woodwork to defeat her. Just watch and see.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

McCain was chosen early on. Not much use in getting out the vote in a one man race. Watch what happens if Hillary is the opponent. They will come out of the woodwork to defeat her. Just watch and see.

Gary - the early primaries tell the same story in terms of turnout as the later ones before McCain was a dead cert.

The problem with your crystal ball is that it is often known to malfunction.

[no name 1]

McCain was chosen early on. Not much use in getting out the vote in a one man race. Watch what happens if Hillary is the opponent. They will come out of the woodwork to defeat her. Just watch and see.

Gary - the early primaries tell the same story in terms of turnout as the later ones before McCain was a dead cert.

The problem with your crystal ball is that it is often known to malfunction.

Amen sister!

[Dan J 277]

If Obama had won either TX or OH last night it might be a question worth asking

If another candidate (say Edwards) who wasn't Clinton had won most of the big states (CA, NY, NJ, TX, etc) and had the delegates, fundraising and support she has - would you be asking them to leave the race when it was this close?

I'm not sure why Obama supporters think McCain is going to be easier to beat than Clinton

I'm asking the question, despite her wins last night, she will not gain very many delegates. She will likely loose that gain in the next two races. There are also few races that will be in her favor such that she will be able to even out the lead.

So its very likely, that no matter what she does, Obama will still go into the convention with the delegate lead. For Hillary to take the nomination at this point she will have to resort to tactics that will not be looked favorably upon.

Obama has brought into the poltical process groups of people that have remained relatively apathetic to politics. This base can strongly support the party in the November election. However, if Hillary gains the nomination, not through primary process, but through wooing superdelegates or in some other way getting Michigan and Florida to count without a revote, that new base will be alienated. That alienation will likely impact the party, not only this November, but for elections to come. Or until the next inspirational candidate.

I never openly considered myself a Democrat until this year. And I have go as far to get involved as a Delegate at our Senate district convention. I will still vote for Hillary no matter what, but my particpation in the party and process really depends on who gets nominated, and what tactics are used to get that nomination.

Even though she won races last night, she mostly running for herself at this point.

[GaryC 7]

McCain was chosen early on. Not much use in getting out the vote in a one man race. Watch what happens if Hillary is the opponent. They will come out of the woodwork to defeat her. Just watch and see.

Gary - the early primaries tell the same story in terms of turnout as the later ones before McCain was a dead cert.

The problem with your crystal ball is that it is often known to malfunction.

Amen sister!

:lol:

It's fun watching you chase your tail here.

Edited March 6, 2008 by GaryC

[Dan J 277]

I suppose the record numbers of Dems turning out all over America to vote in the primaries has no effect on November's election?

Yeah, and half of them are going to be really upset if Hillary keeps up her attempts to steal the election.

Maybe they won't but I don't necessarily think a long protracted battle for the nomination is necessarily going to deliver a Republican the presidency - Republican turnout in the primaries does not bode well for the general election.

McCain was chosen early on. Not much use in getting out the vote in a one man race. Watch what happens if Hillary is the opponent. They will come out of the woodwork to defeat her. Just watch and see.

If the Republicans didn't use winner takes all, you can bet that race would still be going.

At least in the early races, McCain didn't get his delegates with a 51% majority.