CALLING THEM ISLAMIC FASCISTS CAN'T HELP

[canuhandleit 0]

FYI, you can off as completely racist.

Agreed

Alright, I'll say it again for the cheap seats: Islam is not a race.

Still don't get the point I'm making? Let me spell it out for you: Racisim is based on race - thus the term racism. I have not once, with not a single word referred to any race whatsoever. Hence, that particular comment was plain idiotic. Agreeing to it is quite the same.

Okay calm down? lol someone's PMSing.

Do you truly believe people are outside dancing, EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM IS OUTSIDE DANCING? No, only maybe .000000000000000000000000000000001%, that is the extremists of course.

.000000000000000000000000000000001%? I suggest you take some math classes quickly. You need them!

Oh sorry, next time i'll try to give you the exact number.

The problem also lies in that the majority of Muslim mosque don't interact with each other enough to rally up 100k Muslims.

Unless its about cartoons? Or against Western Ideologies?

Exactly. The infrastructure, means and opportunity to gather huge crowds of Muslims protesting something they despise is there. It's been sufficiently demonstrated. Thanks to Denmark.

Now, lets try again: Why are there no mass protest against Islamic terrorism?

Who's not going to protect the basis of their religion? I guess you're a person who let's people walk all over you?

[Scott & Lai 12]

Now, lets try again: Why are there no mass protest against Islamic terrorism?

Who's not going to protect the basis of their religion? I guess you're a person who let's people walk all over you?

Christians have had to endure plenty of attacks on their religion; Andres Serrano's Piss Christ being just one example. But there tend not to be murderous mobs protesting such things.

[Henia 11]

I'm wondering what it is that people want Muslims to do in terms of speaking out against terrorism. After a quick google search I found tons of articles describing Muslim anti-terror protests. Islam has no "pope" to make a public statement regarding Muslims' positition on terrorism. I personally do not feel that Muslims as a group support terrorism. So what has made people feel that they need more "proof" that Islam does not condone terrorism?

Islam doesnt really have a leader to speak out on these terrible acts...but you are all right someone should..I know many Muslims that do...but on a local level...so the message doesnt get to everyone..

I appreciate evryone's commets...i sure have learned alot

What is an "Islamic"? What is the difference between that and a Muslim?

Is it the responsability of other Muslims to rid the world of the "bad" ones?

Muslim is a person who practises Islam

Islamic is the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.

And unfortunely many so called Muslims call their actions Islamic, when in reality is against Islam...

[canuhandleit 0]

I know that a united 15-20 million Shia Ismaili Muslims have a 49th Imam (direct descendant of Prophet Mohammad) at the moment. He has made SEVERAL speeches WORLDWIDE concerning Islam as a whole... he has had several meetings with the President of the US, Canada, and other European countries. Heck, the Queen of England loves him so much she dubbed him "Your Highness." Even Canada loves him: He was also recently named Honorary Companion of the Order of Canada, which only 5 non-Canadians have ever recieved including him. When he talks to them, he speaks of Islam as a whole, yet why don't the speeches ever get out on the US Media? He shows the GOOD of Islam internationally, emphasizing that Islam is not what the Media sees and what most people see and emphasizing pluralism... etc. Also, the fact that he's the number one philanthropist internationally. Why doesn't he get publicity? No one wants to show the good in Islam for the most part on the Media... even though it's easier to spot the good than search for the bad.

Edited August 27, 2006 by canuhandleit

[Henia 11]

What is an "Islamic"? What is the difference between that and a Muslim?

Is it the responsability of other Muslims to rid the world of the "bad" ones?

OTHER FORMS:

Is·lamic (Adjective)

next question?

I was pretty sure that at least by journalistic standards Islamic is an adjective only for things, whereas Muslim is for people. Just don't want to turn people into things, get my drift?

note that you've got the word "adjective" listed after Islamic. Making "an Islamic" an impossible construction by your definition Charles.

What is an "Islamic"? What is the difference between that and a Muslim?

Is it the responsability of other Muslims to rid the world of the "bad" ones?

Islamic... someone that follows the faith of Islam. Muslim.. according to definition.. "Devoted unto God" or "Servant of God"

ex: That man is Islamic.

or

ex: That person is from an Islamic country.

as to your other questions. Yes it is their responsibility, or would you prefer to have the Islamic countries point at us all the time and say "See.. they war upon Islam" while trying to weed out the extremists.

oh wait....

Ok I think it's the responsibility of Islamic countries to repress Muslim whack-jobs (I won't use "extremists" as it implies that they are somehow being faithful to the core values of Islam) but is it the responsibility of every Muslim, even Western ones, to somehow fix that problem? All they have in common is their faith.

As a Jew, am I responsible for Son of Sam?

Did "Son of Sam" commit murder in the name of Judaism? Or was he simply a Jew ethnically speaking?

More things Muslims can do to show they are peaceful and to distance themselves from fascistic ideology:

Muslim leaders throughout the world can declare the following:

"Liberty (not just "democracy") and Islam are not incompatible"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to kill in the name of Islam, or for any reason other than self-defence"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to attempt to force a non-Muslim to live as a Muslim"

"All non-Muslims living in a Muslim society shall have the same rights to openly practice their religion/culture as do Muslims"

"Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist side-by-side"

"Force or intimidation may not be used to spread Islam"

Scott and Lai is right ... and unfortunely many "Muslims" use their religion as a (poor) excuses for their actions...

I'd at least like those leaders to end the popularity of suicide bombings and terrorism before we slowly dismantle assbackward Islamic regimes.

What? Which "leaders" are you talking about?

hehe oops, I was kind of working and typing at the same time. Religious leaders, I suppose. Fat chance anyway, I don't really know what I was talking about.

I don't really care to dismantle any of their regimes. Seems to be part of what causes the ruckus - that we keep messing with their world. I say let them have their world. Let them flog their women. Not my problem. Once it gets bad enough for too many people there, they will rise and take care of things thmselves. Just gotta let them slide all the way down first, I'm afraid.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of the decadent western countries to issue any visa to anyone named Jihad. I think that the Jihads of this world better stay in Lebanon (where this Jihad dude that tried to bomb trains in Germany while there on a student visa happened to be from) or wherever else they might have been raised and groomed to hate.

FYI, you can off as completely racist. First of all, Islam condones women's rights more than any other religious book. Islamic countries who are supressing women are not doing it because it says "SUPPRESS ALL WOMEN!" in the Quran, they're doing it on their own call.

We should continue to "mess with their world" in a positive way, but obviously we aren't doing it all that positive. BY ALLOWING ISRAEL to have nuclear submarines, do you think Muslim countries are going to just stand there? HELL NO! You can't tell Iran they can't have nuclear missles and then allow ###### Israel to have them! None of THOSE countries are able to handle nuclear anything. There's a good chance that if this keeps up, we'll be facing a WWIII pretty soon! and if we start using nuclear weapons, it's going to be the end of humans.

Think about this... you get assaulted, right? Then, the US out of no where supports the criminal... how would you feel? Wouldn't you be pissed? That's why alot of Muslim countries are especially pissed and the US is supplementing constantly to the anger.

Good point...

There is extremes to everything.

Yes, I am extemely tired of parents naming their kids Jihad. Yeah, go ahead, call me an extremist.

Well the true meaning of Jihed is internal struggle with one's self, to control one's self in time of turmoil...buuuuuut I do see your point and people should rethink naming thier children names that may cause them harm (like ppl thinking their are extremists) and this is clear in Islam..clearly forbidden...moesty is a must.

[Scott & Lai 12]

More things Muslims can do to show they are peaceful and to distance themselves from fascistic ideology:

Muslim leaders throughout the world can declare the following:

"Liberty (not just "democracy") and Islam are not incompatible"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to kill in the name of Islam, or for any reason other than self-defence"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to attempt to force a non-Muslim to live as a Muslim"

"All non-Muslims living in a Muslim society shall have the same rights to openly practice their religion/culture as do Muslims"

"Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist side-by-side"

"Force or intimidation may not be used to spread Islam"

Scott and Lai is right ... and unfortunely many "Muslims" use their religion as a (poor) excuses for their actions...

There is extremes to everything.

Yes, I am extemely tired of parents naming their kids Jihad. Yeah, go ahead, call me an extremist.

Well the true meaning of Jihed is internal struggle with one's self, to control one's self in time of turmoil...buuuuuut I do see your point and people should rethink naming thier children names that may cause them harm (like ppl thinking their are extremists) and this is clear in Islam..clearly forbidden...moesty is a must.

Now if we can just get Muslim leaders worldwide (including governments) to agree to make those proclamations.....

Question: We frequently hear that the true meaning of jihad is an internal personal struggle. Is that the original meaning (what Mohammed and his early followers would have meant), or is it a more recent interpretation?

[canuhandleit 0]

Question: We frequently hear that the true meaning of jihad is an internal personal struggle. Is that the original meaning (what Mohammed and his early followers would have meant), or is it a more recent interpretation?

Answer: It's what Mohammad and his early followers would have meant. "Holy War" is the recent incorrect interpretation.

Edited August 27, 2006 by canuhandleit

[Bosco 1]

More things Muslims can do to show they are peaceful and to distance themselves from fascistic ideology:

Muslim leaders throughout the world can declare the following:

"Liberty (not just "democracy") and Islam are not incompatible"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to kill in the name of Islam, or for any reason other than self-defence"

"It is forbidden for a Muslim to attempt to force a non-Muslim to live as a Muslim"

"All non-Muslims living in a Muslim society shall have the same rights to openly practice their religion/culture as do Muslims"

"Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist side-by-side"

"Force or intimidation may not be used to spread Islam"

Now if we can just get Muslim leaders worldwide (including governments) to agree to make those proclamations.....

They have, over and over and over again. Apparently it is falling on deaf ears.

Here is a link to print ads purchased by CAIR and statements they have released Cair statements and their tv ad here

Fatwa againt terror here and look at the long list of organizations that have signed on

Below are a fewstatements from leaders and other prominent Muslims, and you can find MANY more statements on this website, including books, poems they have written on the subject etc.

"The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)."

September 27, 2001 - Fatwa, signed by:

Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Countil, Qatar

Judge Tariq al-Bishri, First Deputy President of the Council d'etat, Egypt

Dr. Muhammad s. al-Awa, Professor of Islamic Law and Shari'a, Egypt

Dr. Haytham al-Khayyat, Islamic scholar, Syria

Fahmi Houaydi, Islamic scholar, Syria

Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Chairman, North America High Council

"Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime."

Zaki Badawi, Principal of the Muslim College in London. Cited in Arab News, September 28, 2001.

"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people."

Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in the New York Times, September 28, 2001.

"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in."

King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in the Middle East Times, September 28, 2001.

"I'm a Muslim. I've been a Muslim for 20 years. I want the world to know the truth about Islam. I wouldn't be here to represent Islam if it were the way the terrorists make it look...Islam is for peace."

Former World Heavyweight boxing champion, Muhammad Ali, at the telethon benefit concert, September 21, 2001.

I don't know why a statement needs to be released that non-Muslims can live peacefully and openly practice their religion in Muslim countries as this is already happening. It wasn't Muslim countries were Jews were persecuted - it was in European countries. In the history of Islam and even today (with a few exceptions), Jews and Christians tend to live peacefully among the larger Muslim population. The countries allow the Christians and Jews to follow their own family laws. It should also be noted that most Palestinian Christians blame the situation in Israel and NOT the Palestinian Muslims.

Edited August 27, 2006 by Bosco

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

" EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM IS OUTSIDE DANCING? " who says that? People like you lump them all together. I don't. There is apathy in your community. Admit it. The Germans were apathic about the Nazis (who were an extremely small minority). Then one day it was too late the they couldn't be stopped.

I'm not sure apathetic is quite the word for that particular example.

[VetsWife328 7]

I'm sick and tired of Mulims that keep saying ALL Muslims are oh so innocent and nice!!! As someone else here stated,what the heck are we supposed to think when we see Muslims celebrate each and everytime something happens to the US???????????

I'm fed up with ppl calling me racist just because I speak my mind about Muslim Terrorists........

Why can't the truly innocent Muslims (and we all know that probably the majority of Muslims is indeed innocent and doesn't want anything but to live in peace) stand up and do something about their brothers (in faith) that believe they have to harm and destroy the US and it's ppl??????

How can it be that a Muslim complains about being looked at funny when they speak or pray Arabic,waer a shirt with Arabic script,wear a hijab while boarding a plane ????? You know (just for example here) you may believe green is the greatest color,so you dye your hair green....well there's ppl that don't like it and will look at you funny.If you want to avoid confrontaion/problems DONT DYE YOUR HAIR GREEN!!!!

Yes I know it is a religion,but unfortunatley Terrorists have claimed to have killed in the name of THAT religion.Which was wrong in the first place because it has put ALL Muslims under suspicon.But hey guess what,I just saw something on the news tonight.........

One of the guys that have planted BOMBS on German trains (luckily didn't go off since they didn't put it together quite right) July 31st,kep going to a Mosque in the City of Kiel.They shwoed videos of him BEING there (from early this year) ,all over sudden nobody there knows him!!!!!!!

They all in that Mosque claim to be innocent-damn why did NOBODY report the guys plans to the Police then???????

THAT is what makes ppl (Muslims) suspicous.

I know one thing for darn sure,I would not help ANY Muslim enter the US.You NEVER know if they are who they want you to believe they are or if they just use you to get into the country and then turn around and blow something up in the name of Allah.

And yeah ppl will call me racist and what not all over again now,but guess what that's my opinion and I stand up for it!

Nat

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm sick and tired of Mulims that keep saying ALL Muslims are oh so innocent and nice!!! As someone else here stated,what the heck are we supposed to think when we see Muslims celebrate each and everytime something happens to the US???????????

I'm fed up with ppl calling me racist just because I speak my mind about Muslim Terrorists........

Why can't the truly innocent Muslims (and we all know that probably the majority of Muslims is indeed innocent and doesn't want anything but to live in peace) stand up and do something about their brothers (in faith) that believe they have to harm and destroy the US and it's ppl??????

How can it be that a Muslim complains about being looked at funny when they speak or pray Arabic,waer a shirt with Arabic script,wear a hijab while boarding a plane ????? You know (just for example here) you may believe green is the greatest color,so you dye your hair green....well there's ppl that don't like it and will look at you funny.If you want to avoid confrontaion/problems DONT DYE YOUR HAIR GREEN!!!!

Yes I know it is a religion,but unfortunatley Terrorists have claimed to have killed in the name of THAT religion.Which was wrong in the first place because it has put ALL Muslims under suspicon.But hey guess what,I just saw something on the news tonight.........

One of the guys that have planted BOMBS on German trains (luckily didn't go off since they didn't put it together quite right) July 31st,kep going to a Mosque in the City of Kiel.They shwoed videos of him BEING there (from early this year) ,all over sudden nobody there knows him!!!!!!!

They all in that Mosque claim to be innocent-damn why did NOBODY report the guys plans to the Police then???????

THAT is what makes ppl (Muslims) suspicous.

I know one thing for darn sure,I would not help ANY Muslim enter the US.You NEVER know if they are who they want you to believe they are or if they just use you to get into the country and then turn around and blow something up in the name of Allah.

And yeah ppl will call me racist and what not all over again now,but guess what that's my opinion and I stand up for it!

Nat

You're right about that.

[canuhandleit 0]

I'm sick and tired of Mulims that keep saying ALL Muslims are oh so innocent and nice!!! As someone else here stated,what the heck are we supposed to think when we see Muslims celebrate each and everytime something happens to the US???????????

I'm fed up with ppl calling me racist just because I speak my mind about Muslim Terrorists........

Why can't the truly innocent Muslims (and we all know that probably the majority of Muslims is indeed innocent and doesn't want anything but to live in peace) stand up and do something about their brothers (in faith) that believe they have to harm and destroy the US and it's ppl??????

How can it be that a Muslim complains about being looked at funny when they speak or pray Arabic,waer a shirt with Arabic script,wear a hijab while boarding a plane ????? You know (just for example here) you may believe green is the greatest color,so you dye your hair green....well there's ppl that don't like it and will look at you funny.If you want to avoid confrontaion/problems DONT DYE YOUR HAIR GREEN!!!!

Yes I know it is a religion,but unfortunatley Terrorists have claimed to have killed in the name of THAT religion.Which was wrong in the first place because it has put ALL Muslims under suspicon.But hey guess what,I just saw something on the news tonight.........

One of the guys that have planted BOMBS on German trains (luckily didn't go off since they didn't put it together quite right) July 31st,kep going to a Mosque in the City of Kiel.They shwoed videos of him BEING there (from early this year) ,all over sudden nobody there knows him!!!!!!!

They all in that Mosque claim to be innocent-damn why did NOBODY report the guys plans to the Police then???????

THAT is what makes ppl (Muslims) suspicous.

I know one thing for darn sure,I would not help ANY Muslim enter the US.You NEVER know if they are who they want you to believe they are or if they just use you to get into the country and then turn around and blow something up in the name of Allah.And yeah ppl will call me racist and what not all over again now,but guess what that's my opinion and I stand up for it!

Nat

I'm a Muslim also and i'd just like to add that you came off exactly how you wanted to: a total ######. Please tell me what you've done for the community or your husband who you're trying to bring into the US? As a natural born US Citizen, I don't think I want your husband in my country, you want to know why? "You NEVER know if they are who they want you to believe they are or if they just use you to get into the country and then turn around and blow something up in the name of GOD."

My dad is awaiting to enter the US after 1 year of being gone, but during the time he was in the US illegally (1984-2005), he donated rougly $50,000 to the betterment of people, not Muslims, i'm talking about people. He opened up 4 job positions for AMERICANS to have and we pay our employs $10.00 an hour to make a sandwich where as other stores pay... rougly $7? Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed in because he is a Muslim? All you're doing is bitching and complaining about us... do you think my family danced outside after 9/11?

Ever wonder why we still have the KKK? minutemen? TERRORISTS? people like you.

Edited August 28, 2006 by canuhandleit

[canuhandleit 0]

Ever wonder why we still have the KKK? minutemen? TERRORISTS? people like you.

Let me explain before everyone goes off: Ignorance.

One word says it all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Let me explain before everyone goes off: Ignorance.

One word says it all.

Indeed. Unfortunately these days, ignorance is passed off as some sort of profound understanding. Go figure...

[Ban Hammer 13,364]

My dad is awaiting to enter the US after 1 year of being gone, but during the time he was in the US illegally (1984-2005), he donated rougly $50,000 to the betterment of people, not Muslims, i'm talking about people. He opened up 4 job positions for AMERICANS to have and we pay our employs $10.00 an hour to make a sandwich where as other stores pay... rougly $7? Are you saying he shouldn't be allowed in because he is a Muslim?

i think your first sentence answered your last sentence

i also question that part about donating 50k

wages to employees does not count as donations

Edited August 28, 2006 by charlesandnessa