Democrats don't think their health care bill can stand public inspection

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I'll happily pay for a few flu shots if it'll stop them ending up being treated for pneumonia.

So basically, you're a socialist?

[AlHayatZween 2]

i hope he comes up with something truly revolutionary that will benefit us all.

and i hope Congress doesn't mess it up.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

i hope he comes up with something truly revolutionary that will benefit us all.

and i hope Congress doesn't mess it up.

That's not how our system works. It's designed to tap down on radicalism.

[Peikko 1,575]

I'll happily pay for a few flu shots if it'll stop them ending up being treated for pneumonia.

So basically, you're a socialist?

I'm a humanist, is that the same thing?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I'll happily pay for a few flu shots if it'll stop them ending up being treated for pneumonia.

So basically, you're a socialist?

I'm a humanist, is that the same thing?

No, you're no humanist. You're a health care terrorist!

[Peikko 1,575]

Am I? Do I have to go blow myself up now?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You use fear and intimidation to set our nation on a course of action (socialized healthcare) that will result in massive LOSS of health care benefits for the middle class. You want to take away from them and give it away to seniors and illegals. You are a classic terrorist.

[AlHayatZween 2]

i hope he comes up with something truly revolutionary that will benefit us all.

and i hope Congress doesn't mess it up.

That's not how our system works. It's designed to tap down on radicalism.

Sorry, i am just down on Congress lately.

[justashooter 430]

Am I? Do I have to go blow myself up now?

oh pleeeeeaaase.

[mawilson 2,133]

We already do pay for those who are without insurance, we just pay for it in the most expensive and haphazard way. IE, we pay for them to be cared for in the context of the ER room. Nice and logical.

First, occasional ER visits are cheaper than continued access to health-care resources.

Second, "we" do not pay for it - the ER docs bill the patients for their services.

[Peikko 1,575]

No suicide bomber worth their salt explodes alone. Now, who can I take with me?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Take shooter, he is old and has served his purpose.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Democrats are trying to rush the largest entitlement expansion since LBJ into law with a truncated debate and as little public scrutiny as possible. At this point all they've released are the vaguest "policy options," not concrete specifics. Yet the Senate plans to begin marking up legislation next week, maybe hold a hearing or two, then have something to the floor by the end of the month, votes by the August recess and a bill to the Oval Office by Thanksgiving.

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It's not hard to see why Democrats are trying to hew to this full-speed-ahead timetable. Their health overhaul will run up a 13-figure price tag at a time when spending and deficits are already at epic levels and hook up the middle class to an intravenous drip of government health subsidies for generations to come. These are not realities that Democrats want the American people to mull over for very long.

This is especially true for the majority of Americans who are generally satisfied with their coverage and doctors but worried about cost. They might get scared off if they were allowed the chance to realize that Democrats will do almost nothing to restrain rising health spending. Based on the leaks so far, this year's legislation will hone in on traditional liberal concerns of social equity -- covering the uninsured.

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Democrats are contemplating the most sweeping restructuring of the health markets since Medicare in 1965, and ... they don't want to let the details let others slow them down. Better to grab what they will portray as a major domestic achievement while President Obama is at the height of his popularity and before anyone understands what it will mean in practice. The consequences and the cost can be explained later.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124398857510379561.html

That's weird, because I watched Bernie Sanders this morning, the Chairman of the Committee that will write the bill in the Senate. He swore up and down the Democrats don't even have a plan yet for the Health Care Legislation. How come nobody told him yet?

Edited June 3, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[Peikko 1,575]

We already do pay for those who are without insurance, we just pay for it in the most expensive and haphazard way. IE, we pay for them to be cared for in the context of the ER room. Nice and logical.

First, occasional ER visits are cheaper than continued access to health-care resources.

Second, "we" do not pay for it - the ER docs bill the patients for their services.

They bill people who have no money, who don't pay so the Dr's increase the costs to those who do pay. 'We' who pay our insurance do pay for those who do not.

Occasional ER visits are not cheaper than continued access to preventative medicine. Anyone would think you had witnessed cues of healthy people sitting in NHS waiting rooms.

I didn't really put cues did I?

######, I did, queues

[mawilson 2,133]

I'll happily pay for a few flu shots if it'll stop them ending up being treated for pneumonia.

Your logic is flawed. To stop them ending up being treated for pneumonia (a one-time occurence),

are you willing to pay for regular doctor visits, preventive screenings, examinations and lab tests

every few months?