Illegal immigrant gives birth in custody with one leg cuffed to her bed

[ready4ONE 5,400]

A documentary about the high rate of drunken driving accidents involving legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants was the focus of a WRAL News documentary

http://www.wral.com/news/local/documentaries/video/2117913/

The story is very sad. Regardless, they did not break down the numbers for how many of the 18% of Hispanic caused DUI accidents were illegal vs legal immigrants, or outright Hispanic Americans. Breaking down that statistic may have made the whole story a non-story in so far as it was aimed at claiming illegal immigration was responsible for the tragedy.

[Heracles 417]

legal or not, I don't think any woman who is in labour would appreciate very much having a fukcin cuff on her ankle..

for what I read here.. being illegal gives the cops the right to tie her down while she's poppin out a baby.. and some people care more about dogs than actual people who happen to not have a little card that says they're allowed to be here..

and this new study of latinos celebrating drunk driveness impresses me, now I know something more about my culture!! it's weird they didn't teach me that in my social studies classes in college

in Mexico there's a big number of pedophiles who happen to be american.. I think they could make a study and suggest that americans celebrate pedophilia, using the logic of that BS article..

as Caro said.. I also totally deny accepting that latinos celebrate drunk driving..

Is she going to pay the hospital for delivering the baby? How is that for logic PH

PS Go to google and type: killed by illegal immigrants DUI. Then look at the results. Or is google against brown people too??

It's time for...

mindless outrage!

There, don't we all feel lots better now?

I am still waiting for you to back your previous accusations.

[Ggreen 12]

standard practice in hospitals for those in the custody of law enforcement to be handcuffed...sounds like she really wasnt mistreated after all...she was an illegal who after being deported the first time shouldnt have come back!

I thought she was a human?!

Refer to post 222.

Ankle chaining also paid by American tax payers.

[Marilyn. 340]

legal or not, I don't think any woman who is in labour would appreciate very much having a fukcin cuff on her ankle..

for what I read here.. being illegal gives the cops the right to tie her down while she's poppin out a baby.. and some people care more about dogs than actual people who happen to not have a little card that says they're allowed to be here..

and this new study of latinos celebrating drunk driveness impresses me, now I know something more about my culture!! it's weird they didn't teach me that in my social studies classes in college

in Mexico there's a big number of pedophiles who happen to be american.. I think they could make a study and suggest that americans celebrate pedophilia, using the logic of that BS article..

as Caro said.. I also totally deny accepting that latinos celebrate drunk driving..

Is she going to pay the hospital for delivering the baby? How is that for logic PH

PS Go to google and type: killed by illegal immigrants DUI. Then look at the results. Or is google against brown people too??

It's time for...

mindless outrage!

There, don't we all feel lots better now?

I am still waiting for you to back your previous accusations.

how about doing a search for people killed by DUI...

i have no freakin idea what DUI's have to do with this story.. the lady wasn't charged with a DUI..

[Ggreen 12]

standard practice in hospitals for those in the custody of law enforcement to be handcuffed...sounds like she really wasnt mistreated after all...she was an illegal who after being deported the first time shouldnt have come back!

I thought she was a human?!

human? no, señor, she's mexican.

Oh my godneness.!!

[Heracles 417]

how about doing a search for people killed by DUI...

I would look at Mexico's stats on drink driving deaths but they do not report them..

The Data

One such eye-opener appeared as "The hit-kill-and-run state" stories, published in 2005 in the Arizona Daily Star. "The seven states with the highest rates of fatal hit-and-run crashes," the paper reported, "are also the seven states that have the most illegal immigrants, according to two think tanks." With 500,000 illegal aliens, or 9 percent of its population, the paper reported, Arizona ranked fifth in that measure behind California, Texas, Florida, and New York. About 5.6 percent of Arizona's fatal crashes between 1994 and 2004, the newspaper reported, were hit-and-run.

In California, the state with the most illegal immigrants, more than 7 percent of the fatal wrecks were hit-and-run, the Daily Star reported, the highest in the nation. With one million unlicensed drivers., California also boasted the highest number of hit-and-runs of all the states, according to a 2003 San Francisco Chronicle article.

More recent data on California, gleaned from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System, show that California's figure for fatal hit-and-runs in 2005 reached 9 percent, or 347 of 3,846 fatal crashes. Arizona's number stayed the same as its average from 1994 to 2004. The figure for Texas came in at 5 percent, an increase from 4.5 percent. Florida's figure increased from 4.9 percent to 5.6 percent.

By contrast, the states with the lowest percentage of fatal hit-and-run crashes also had the lowest number of illegals. In Vermont, with 4,000 illegals in 2005, the Federation for American Immigration Reform reports, one of 68 fatal crashes was a hit-and-run. Wyoming, also with 4,000 illegals, posted just one hit-and-run fatality among 147 total, or 0.6 percent. Maine too had just 4,000 illegals. Just one of its 151 fatal crashes was a hit-and-run.

"A lot of it," a traffic expert told the paper, "is the Mexican border." Indeed it is. And not just for hit-and-run killers.

More proof that illegal immigrants are lethal drivers is found in the evidence tying unlicensed drivers, who are disproportionately illegal aliens, to traffic fatalities. The American Automobile Association (AAA) published the second of two reports in 2003 documenting that unlicensed drivers are more lethal than licensed drivers. That report, entitled Unlicensed to Kill, The Sequel, used numbers gathered between 1993 to 1999. Unsurprisingly, correlating the AAA data with other figures detailing the number of illegal aliens in a state demonstrates that states with the highest numbers of fatal crashes involving unlicensed drivers correspond to the states with the highest numbers of illegal aliens. In California, with the highest population of illegals, at least 20.9 percent of the drivers in fatal crashes were unlicensed. Arizona's and New Mexico's figures were even higher: 21.1 and 23.1. Maine's figure was just 6.1 percent, Wyoming's, 11.2 and Vermont's 13.7.

Law enforcement authorities confirm that unlicensed drivers are disproportionately illegal aliens. According to World Net Daily, a district attorney in New York has reported that at one point, 66 percent of those charged with misdemeanor unlicensed driving were illegals. "Unfortunately," a highway patrolman in California told WND, "the undocumented drivers here [drive unlicensed] more than the natives." In short, illegal aliens drive without licenses and cause fatalities in numbers exceeding their proportion of the population.

Assuming these data aren't a wild fluke, the obvious question is why illegal aliens, mostly Mexicans, are so often unlicensed, and why they so often leave the scene of an accident. The answers are hardly a mystery. They are unlicensed because they are illegal, although being illegal does not mean they will be unlicensed, as THE NEW AMERICAN showed in its story about Wisconsin's generous policy on licensing ("Illegal Immigrants in a State of Disarray," Feb. 19).

With respect to hit-and-runs, illegals have nothing to gain and everything to lose by hanging around to face the law's mariachi band. If caught, they face deportation, although deportation, as the Cerans and others have learned, is hardly a fait accompli.

"A Cultural Thing"

Yet another pathology among illegal aliens is drunk driving, which explains, in large measure, why illegal aliens are such lethal drivers. Illegal aliens in particular and unassimilated Hispanics in general are often indifferent to drunk-driving laws, thanks to Latin American cultural attitudes, which are more liberal than ours. The repercussions of those attitudes surface in data proving that Hispanics are arrested for drunk driving in numbers exceeding their percentage of the population.

The data and strong anecdotal evidence show that large numbers of Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, are not assimilating American society's norms on drinking and driving, but instead retaining and even celebrating cultural norms and attitudes they carry across the border.

More than one publication has flatly proven, and stated, that culture is the problem when it comes to Hispanics and high arrest rates for drunk driving. In May, the Record of Stockton, California, in "DUI's Culture Gap," reported that between 2000-2004, 54 percent of all arrests for drunk driving in Stockton were Hispanic men, although they make up only 35.3 percent of the population. The paper further parsed the data, but you get the idea. Hispanics, the paper reported, accounted for more DUI arrests than any other racial group. The Record's data are nothing new. Overall in California, Mothers Against Drunk Driving reported in 2001, Hispanics accounted for 44.1 percent of DUI arrests but composed just 31.3 percent of the population. California's data comport with those of other states, the Record reported, including North Carolina and Texas.

Because Hispanics are arrested for drunk driving in numbers exceeding their proportion of the population, it's hardly a long jump to conclude that many are illegal aliens, but again, illegality does not explain these statistics. Driven magazine, published by Mothers Against Drunk Driving, disclosed an unspoken truth in a 2001 article entitled "Cultural Impact": Mexican culture encourages heavy drinking.

The Mexican mother of a four-year-old mangled by a drunk driver explained the problem. "In Mexico," she said, "the culture is very much a drinking culture." Reported the same article, "Hispanic drivers are more likely than Anglo drivers to consume more alcohol more frequently and have been shown to be more likely than Anglos to drive with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) level over .05 percent. Hispanics also believed that it takes six to eight drinks to affect driving, while Anglos thought two to four drinks affected driving."

In 2003, the Austin-American Statesman published an article titled "Hispanics and DUI: A Troubling Trend," revealing similar statistics to those published in the Stockton Record. "One thing I have noticed," a cop told the paper, "is that the Hispanics I arrest for DWI, 90 percent of the time, are more drunk than the white and black people I arrest." The paper also quoted a professor at the University of Texas who studied Hispanics and drinking. "The profile of a drunk driver in California," Raul Caetano told the paper, "is a young Hispanic male, and I bet you have a similar situation all over the Southwest." And "the traditional pattern of drinking in Mexico is one of infrequent drinking of high amounts."

The Record of Stockton affirmed that truth. "The Latino community creates its own problems," Joe Ynostroza, an expert on Hispanics and alcoholism, told the paper. "The problem is especially acute in Mexico," the paper averred. "Most of this is first- or second-generation Mexican males," Ynostroza said. "Alcoholism runs rampant in the Mexican Latino community."

In the words of one Hispanic cop: "It's a cultural thing."

Microcosm: Virginia's Eastern Shore

"Harvest of Death," published in Norfolk's Virginian Pilot in October 2005, put a journalistic microscope on Virginia's Eastern Shore. Hispanic "migrants," meaning the illegal aliens who pick tomatoes there, are driving a wave of unprecedented road crime and exemplify all the aforementioned problems.

Hispanics "driving rogue vehicles," the Pilot reported, injured 90 persons and killed 18 between 2002 and the time of the newspaper's report. Why the paper used "rogue" to describe the vehicles, instead of the drivers, we can only guess, but "the fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on the Eastern Shore in that period." Yet Hispanics are just 5 percent of the population of 51,000. Unsurprisingly, when the number of illegals grows during picking season, so does the number of fatalities.

No wonder the 77 miles of the Eastern Shore's U.S. 13, from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to Maryland, the Pilot reported, is "one of the most treacherous highways in Virginia," with a fatality rate in 2003 "more than four times the rates on Interstates 64, 81 and 95 in Virginia."

In only three of the 18 fatal wrecks, the paper reported, did the Hispanic driver have insurance. Other common features in these wrecks? No inspection stickers, no driver's license, and plenty of booze.

Reviewing 179 crash reports from state police involving Hispanic drivers between 2002 and 2004, the paper discovered that 75 percent were uninsured, "more than four times the national rate for uninsured motorists." As well, "nearly all" the Hispanic drivers used cars "registered to other drivers" and 93 percent of the vehicles carried "out-of-state tags--most of them from Tennessee." The paper did not report it, but most of these Hispanics were likely illegal aliens. One cop complained that officials often don't know which embassy to contact after a fatality.

Edited July 22, 2008 by Aficionado

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as Caro said.. I also totally deny accepting that latinos celebrate drunk driving..

what!?!

ok, no more tequila for you señor

[Peikko 1,575]

She will do what everyone in her position does regarding making payments to the hospital. Hers is not a special case which is the point of this thread. She is not special so she should not have been treated differently to anyone else in similar circumstances. If she was treated differently there is a case to answer and if she was not, there isn't.

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

[Peikko 1,575]

Re-posting one Op-ed article doesn't make it a better article or more significant. The fact is that that article does not back up any of it's assertions with anything that can remotely be claimed to be a fact.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Some more info.

She received excellent and compassionate care at Nashville General

Paid for by the American taxpayer.

So what? That still doesn't justify inhumane treatment (It doesn't make any difference how many times you say or how many different ways you find to phrase it).

[Heracles 417]

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I never claimed there was any correlation between the two.

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous; Regardless of her situation. Yet why there is little to no outrage from the same people when it comes to the numerous American citizens (children) who have lost their 'lives' at the hand of a negligent illegal immigrant.

Edited July 22, 2008 by Aficionado

[Caladan 19]

We paid to rape that Cylon, dammit!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous.

She wasn't hand-cuffed, she was ankle-cuffed.... during labor.

[Fandango 1,439]

Who cares who's right and who's wrong...everyone has his/her own opinion. It's funny to watch everyone trying to fight to the death.

Yes, I've been guilty of it in the past...but it's strange after being so busy and coming back and seeing the same old merry go round.

[Ggreen 12]

Illogical argument:

Claiming that being sympathtic to this illegal immigrant's seemingly inhuman treatment = having no sympathy for US citizens who are injured by the activity of other unrelated illegal immigrants. There is simply no correlation between the two.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I never claimed there was any correlation between the two.

Now what I was asking was why one clown being handcuffed, after being arrested, is outrageous; Regardless of her situation. Yet why there is little to no outrage from the same people when it comes to the numerous American citizens (children) who have lost their 'lives' at the hand of a negligent illegal immigrant.

And she is a clown also?