HC leads nomination race by 2 points, leads in other races

[no name 1]

Illumine - I'm presuming that you will be one of the 29% of Clinton voters who would vote for McCain rather than support your party. Hmmm...

Why would you assume that?

Maybe someone ought to tell Hillary that taking the nomination fight all the way to the convention didn't work for the Dems in 1980, it work for them in 1968 and it didn't work for the Republicans in 1976. In fact, I am not sure that there was ever a successful candidate born out of a nomination battle at a convention.

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Edited May 1, 2008 by illumine

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Illumine - I'm presuming that you will be one of the 29% of Clinton voters who would vote for McCain rather than support your party. Hmmm...

Why would you assume that?

That's presume... Anywho... On the outside looking in, you don't seem to care too much for Sen. Obama (and believe me I understand why).

[no name 1]

Illumine - I'm presuming that you will be one of the 29% of Clinton voters who would vote for McCain rather than support your party. Hmmm...

Why would you assume that?

That's presume... Anywho... On the outside looking in, you don't seem to care too much for Sen. Obama (and believe me I understand why).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presume

pre·sume /prɪˈzum/ -

–verb (used with object)

1. to take for granted, assume, or suppose:

[Sheriff Uling 3]

Illumine - I'm presuming that you will be one of the 29% of Clinton voters who would vote for McCain rather than support your party. Hmmm...

Why would you assume that?

That's presume... Anywho... On the outside looking in, you don't seem to care too much for Sen. Obama (and believe me I understand why).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presume

pre·sume /prɪˈzum/ -

–verb (used with object)

1. to take for granted, assume, or suppose:

I just didn't want you to come back with the old classic line about making an ####### out of u and me.... Get it...

Edited May 1, 2008 by Sheriff Uling

[no name 1]

Illumine - I'm presuming that you will be one of the 29% of Clinton voters who would vote for McCain rather than support your party. Hmmm...

Why would you assume that?

That's presume... Anywho... On the outside looking in, you don't seem to care too much for Sen. Obama (and believe me I understand why).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/presume

pre·sume /prɪˈzum/ -

–verb (used with object)

1. to take for granted, assume, or suppose:

I just didn't want you to come back with the old classic line about making an ####### out of u and me....

It was in my head, don't worry!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

[no name 1]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Edited May 1, 2008 by illumine

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

[no name 1]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

Your math is off & you expect me to believe you can count delegates?

Still not answering my question. Will you abide by what comes out of Denver?

Yes or no.

Edited May 1, 2008 by illumine

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

Your math is off & you expect me to believe you can count delegates?

Still not answering my question. Will you abide by what comes out of Denver?

Yes or no.

I give up, Dev. You're right. The math is all off. Hillary can win the remaining Primaries within 10 points, the remaining super delegates will realize she's the winning candidate and throw their support behind her...and hell will freeze over.

[no name 1]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

Your math is off & you expect me to believe you can count delegates?

Still not answering my question. Will you abide by what comes out of Denver?

Yes or no.

I give up, Dev. You're right. The math is all off. Hillary can win the remaining Primaries within 10 points, the remaining super delegates will realize she's the winning candidate and throw their support behind her...and hell will freeze over.

Why won't you answer the question Steven?

Edited May 1, 2008 by illumine

[GaryC 7]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

Having 2025 delegates does not mean that Obama has the nomination. 2025 is the minimum needed to get the nomination at the convention. Between June and Aug the SD are free to change their minds if something happens in that time. McCain has the needed pledged delegates but he is still refered to as the "presumptive candidate". It isn't official until the delegates cast their votes at the convention. I don't see Hillary giving up in June. She knows that some other revelation about Obama may come and the SD's could change their mind. It will not be over until the convention. Your math means nothing unless Obama can get 2025 PLEDGED delegates. That will not happen. Knowing of the rules will set you free.

[no name 1]

Your math means nothing unless Obama can get 2025 PLEDGED delegates. That will not happen. Knowing of the rules will set you free.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Reinhard, I think you were right yesterday...if Obama reaches the needed 2,024 delegates by June, Hillary will concede. I'd love to here somebody get her to commit to such a promise, but hopefully she'll do the right thing for the Party and concede once Obama reaches 2,024. I can't say the same for Dev and metta though...they may keep fighting for Hillary long after she's out of it.

Why would you say that? The battle is not over Steven. I will abide by whatever comes out of Denver. Will you?

Because unlike some of her diehard supporters, Hillary knows what kind of damage that would do to both the Party and her political future. Whoever reaches 2,024 delegates first will be the nominee....mark my words.

It's 2025.

And you didn't answer my question.

Obama will be the nominee because he will have the 2,025 needed delegates to secure the nomination by early June so there will be no other scenario...unless of course you have a different explanation of how the Party will choose the nominee?

Your math is off & you expect me to believe you can count delegates?

Still not answering my question. Will you abide by what comes out of Denver?

Yes or no.

That depends on whether the convention conforms to the expressed will of the voters. If Denver comes down to some illegitimate power grab, I don't think I could support that. Then I'll be left with an option to vote for Nader.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Having 2025 delegates does not mean that Obama has the nomination. 2025 is the minimum needed to get the nomination at the convention. Between June and Aug the SD are free to change their minds if something happens in that time. McCain has the needed pledged delegates but he is still refered to as the "presumptive candidate". It isn't official until the delegates cast their votes at the convention. I don't see Hillary giving up in June. She knows that some other revelation about Obama may come and the SD's could change their mind. It will not be over until the convention. Your math means nothing unless Obama can get 2025 PLEDGED delegates. That will not happen. Knowing of the rules will set you free.

Ok, let me rephrase what I've said earlier...once Obama reaches 2,025 delegates, Hillary will concede Obama as the presumptive nominee. She will not fight this all the way to the Convention...at least not without committing political suicide and bringing the Party down with her.