Muslim hero breaks up train beating

[mawilson 2,133]

Its doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are, or indeed what your cultural background is - they don't dictate a person's behaviour.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Really? That argument is problematic because it puts a question mark over whether a person is responsible for their own behaviour.

They are responsible for their own behaviour, but only within the boundaries dictated by their religion

and culture.

If that were true, a person might wonder why the guy described in the article chose to step in and help those people.

Because his religion didn't prohibit him from doing so. If he had to eat a bacon sandwich to help the guy

in question, he wouldn't have.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are, or indeed what your cultural background is - they don't dictate a person's behaviour.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Really? That argument is problematic because it puts a question mark over whether a person is responsible for their own behaviour.

They are responsible for their own behaviour, but only within the boundaries dictated by their religion

and culture.

If that were true, a person might wonder why the guy described in the article chose to step in and help those people.

Because his religion didn't prohibit him from doing so. If he had to eat a bacon sandwich to help the guy

in question, he wouldn't have.

Well to be fair - you don't really know that much about this guy to make that judgement. Perhaps he's not 'devout'.

In any case I think dictate is the wrong word - as it implies mindlessness. "Influence" - sure... Within influence there is still choice.

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I must agree with Number 6. This is a puff piece that essentially says, "Wow! Those Muslims aren't all murderous zealots after all! Look at this guy! Assisting a Jew, no less!" That this is considered news implies that it is unusual and thus worthy of attention. This may be a story in, say, Gaza City (OK, there probably aren't too many people spreading Hanukkah wishes there, but...), but in New York? Come on. People come to each other's aid all the time in big cities. Incidents on subways and elsewhere are broken up frequently. Usually they don't get much attention.

As No. 6 suggests, turning a good deed into a supposed news story that focuses on the religious backgrounds of the individuals perpetuates the notion that some differences seem insurmountable, but isn't it just precious when people look underneath the yarmulke or hijab to see the person? This story is condescending to Muslims and suggests that Hassan should be commended for not doing the "expected" thing: pushing through the crowd to get a better view or even joining in, of course.

There are more effective and less cartoonish ways of noting tolerance and good relationships among people from different religions and cultures, if that's what one wishes to discuss.

it's funny, because the article says that this happened on a crowded car...why didn't anyone else, except for Hassan come to this guy's aid???

there's a video on nypost.com ....you'll hear more about the reeal story there...

[almaty 19]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

[mawilson 2,133]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

Religious doctrine implies mindlessness. A Muslim or a Jew wouldn't stop to think about

not eating a bacon sandwich. There are certain things religious people just don't do --

they have no "choice" in the matter.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

it's funny, because the article says that this happened on a crowded car...why didn't anyone else, except for Hassan come to this guy's aid???

there's a video on nypost.com ....you'll hear more about the reeal story there...

Perhaps that's the more interesting aspect of the story.

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Maybe these crusading Christians can be put in the same subway car as the alleged gringohaters from Boston that allegedly chased down a fireman in a car (themselves on foot). What a show that would be!

[almaty 19]

Its doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are, or indeed what your cultural background is - they don't dictate a person's behaviour.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Really? That argument is problematic because it puts a question mark over whether a person is responsible for their own behaviour.

They are responsible for their own behaviour, but only within the boundaries dictated by their religion

and culture.

If that were true, a person might wonder why the guy described in the article chose to step in and help those people.

Because his religion didn't prohibit him from doing so. If he had to eat a bacon sandwich to help the guy

in question, he wouldn't have.

tio a certain extreme you are correct..but both sanita and i drink at times...also, sometimes wine

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

Religious doctrine implies mindlessness. A Muslim or a Jew wouldn't stop to think about

not eating a bacon sandwich. There are certain things religious people just don't do --

they have no "choice" in the matter.

Devoutly religious people - sure. Still there are plenty of people with moderate religious views - I mean just because I don't go to church on sundays, it doesn't automatically follow that I am an atheist.

[mawilson 2,133]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

Religious doctrine implies mindlessness. A Muslim or a Jew wouldn't stop to think about

not eating a bacon sandwich. There are certain things religious people just don't do --

they have no "choice" in the matter.

Devoutly religious people - sure. Still there are plenty of people with moderate religious views - I mean just because I don't go to church on sundays, it doesn't automatically follow that I am an atheist.

Well yes, of course, I was referring to the devoutly religious. Jews who eat pork

and Muslims who drink wine are not "religious" people in my book.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

Religious doctrine implies mindlessness. A Muslim or a Jew wouldn't stop to think about

not eating a bacon sandwich. There are certain things religious people just don't do --

they have no "choice" in the matter.

Devoutly religious people - sure. Still there are plenty of people with moderate religious views - I mean just because I don't go to church on sundays, it doesn't automatically follow that I am an atheist.

Well yes, of course, I was referring to the devoutly religious. Jews who eat pork

and Muslims who drink wine are not "religious" people in my book.

Sure. But you can still be "religious" without buying into religiosity.

[almaty 19]

whoa, brother MA....i doubt if the Muslim or the Jews ..would eat a bacon sandwich.....it is a religious doctrine...and a point taken

Religious doctrine implies mindlessness. A Muslim or a Jew wouldn't stop to think about

not eating a bacon sandwich. There are certain things religious people just don't do --

they have no "choice" in the matter.

Devoutly religious people - sure. Still there are plenty of people with moderate religious views - I mean just because I don't go to church on sundays, it doesn't automatically follow that I am an atheist.

Well yes, of course, I was referring to the devoutly religious. Jews who eat pork

and Muslims who drink wine are not "religious" people in my book.

#######??? brother MA..if a person ..Catholic..believes in birth control..then theya re not religious...same for a Jew who eats shellfish..or a Muslim that drinks wine...

[mawilson 2,133]

Well yes, of course, I was referring to the devoutly religious. Jews who eat pork

and Muslims who drink wine are not "religious" people in my book.

#######??? brother MA..if a person ..Catholic..believes in birth control..then theya re not religious...same for a Jew who eats shellfish..or a Muslim that drinks wine...

That's what I said.

[HAL 9000 96]

I prefer just being civilized when on the train instead of preaching superiority and hatred over others' beliefs. I don't know, maybe that's just being crazy in this world.

[almaty 19]

Well yes, of course, I was referring to the devoutly religious. Jews who eat pork

and Muslims who drink wine are not "religious" people in my book.

#######??? brother MA..if a person ..Catholic..believes in birth control..then theya re not religious...same for a Jew who eats shellfish..or a Muslim that drinks wine...

That's what I said.

brother MA....you need to go over to the "bickering thread'