Ted Nugent discusses the 2nd Amendment

[pedroh 21]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I'm using the most extreme example of owning a weapon which you agree is absurd. Now the issue is finding middle ground - by recognizing that we must use logic and reason with interpreting the 2nd Amendment and not pretend we can just take it for face value. The question is - when does ownership of a weapon become too extreme - beyond the reason of the intent and purpose of the 2nd Amendment?

actually, it's a moot point since while you've been busy acquiring a nuclear weapon, i've parked a klingon dreadnaught in earth orbit and blasted all nuclear weapons.

now when you're ready to come back to the real world, lemme know

Aye, Charles...duck and dodge, duck and dodge. Just tell me what is and isn't a reasonable method of a person exercising their 2nd Amendment right? I'm not trying to trap you, I'm trying to find middle ground on what we can agree on. I fully support the 2nd Amendment but waiting for you to acknowledge that you can't simply take it for face value - some logic and reason is involved given the ambiguity of the 2nd Amendment.

Steven,

Buy an actual gun before thinking about owning a nuke. You can even keep your evil gun locked up down at the shooting range. Have you ever fired a gun? Never mind owning one. I think you would like it.

Aye, Rich. This argument isn't about whether we should be able to own guns or not. I support the 2nd Amendment and actually have been contemplating buying a handgun at some point. The issue, which Mr. Nugent brought up - what is a reasonable means of self protection and what isn't? So far, nobody is willing to step up to the plate and define that. The 2nd Amendment is ambiguous, so the attitude that just some common sense and citizens can decide for themselves what is appropriate or not, doesn't fly ....at least not if you are going to say that having a personal nuclear weapon for protection is NOT covered by the 2nd Amendment. How about a tank? A .50 calibur machine gun mounted on the top of my car for protection? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I've seen 2 50 cals and 2 30 cals mounted on a Suzuki Samurai.... at the same time. With the right paperwork and lots of $$ you can own them yourself.

I get your point Steven. No, we can't drive a fully armed tank down the street... so where's the line? Right now the line is high capacity semi-autos (full auto with $$ and paperwork-BECAUSE THE LINE MOVED). I don't want the line to move at all so we have to fight every law that tries to move the line. A cliche but true..... If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

anyhoo, keep in mind you will be lugging this thing around and that above will be like a bag of cement by the end of the day. what's the average range to target and will you be hunting within several miles of any houses? is the area cleared, brushy, or lots of trees?

[natty bumppo 297]

I'm using the most extreme example of owning a weapon which you agree is absurd. Now the issue is finding middle ground - by recognizing that we must use logic and reason with interpreting the 2nd Amendment and not pretend we can just take it for face value. The question is - when does ownership of a weapon become too extreme - beyond the reason of the intent and purpose of the 2nd Amendment?

actually, it's a moot point since while you've been busy acquiring a nuclear weapon, i've parked a klingon dreadnaught in earth orbit and blasted all nuclear weapons.

now when you're ready to come back to the real world, lemme know

Aye, Charles...duck and dodge, duck and dodge. Just tell me what is and isn't a reasonable method of a person exercising their 2nd Amendment right? I'm not trying to trap you, I'm trying to find middle ground on what we can agree on. I fully support the 2nd Amendment but waiting for you to acknowledge that you can't simply take it for face value - some logic and reason is involved given the ambiguity of the 2nd Amendment.

Steven,

Buy an actual gun before thinking about owning a nuke. You can even keep your evil gun locked up down at the shooting range. Have you ever fired a gun? Never mind owning one. I think you would like it.

Aye, Rich. This argument isn't about whether we should be able to own guns or not. I support the 2nd Amendment and actually have been contemplating buying a handgun at some point. The issue, which Mr. Nugent brought up - what is a reasonable means of self protection and what isn't? So far, nobody is willing to step up to the plate and define that. The 2nd Amendment is ambiguous, so the attitude that just some common sense and citizens can decide for themselves what is appropriate or not, doesn't fly ....at least not if you are going to say that having a personal nuclear weapon for protection is NOT covered by the 2nd Amendment. How about a tank? A .50 calibur machine gun mounted on the top of my car for protection? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Let me help a little … the words "keep and bear arms" is basically a limitation of protected arms to those that an individual can bear (hold up, support, carry from one place to another). So good luck carrying large weapons .. tanks, howitzers, your nuclear device, etc. So if you have enough money (note: you are welcome to donate to my PayPal account) you can purchase your tank, howitzer (if the law allows), but it’s only something you can keep, it’s not something you can bear ...which begs the question … is your privately owned tank/ howitzer protected?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

anyhoo, keep in mind you will be lugging this thing around and that above will be like a bag of cement by the end of the day.

So, downsize a little?

[natty bumppo 297]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

anyhoo, keep in mind you will be lugging this thing around and that above will be like a bag of cement by the end of the day.

So, downsize a little?

or .. just build your muscles

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

anyhoo, keep in mind you will be lugging this thing around and that above will be like a bag of cement by the end of the day.

So, downsize a little?

or .. just build your muscles

Some workout that would be.

[natty bumppo 297]

i wanna gun now..

post the intended use of it and you'll get some free advice on what to buy

well, all my friends @ the office go hunting a lot, specially now, they go hunting deer and whatnot (in their friends property)...

Can't go wrong with one of these :

anyhoo, keep in mind you will be lugging this thing around and that above will be like a bag of cement by the end of the day.

So, downsize a little?

or .. just build your muscles

Some workout that would be.

whats the expression ... you'll never drown in your own sweat ?

I agree ... that would be some workout .. on the flip side ... think of the great shape you'll be in

[Peikko 1,575]

On the other hand, the plastic bag is light, can easily fit in anyone's pocket and has a multitude of other uses aside from it's primary lethal purpose. Yay for the plastic bag!!!!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

On the other hand, the plastic bag is light, can easily fit in anyone's pocket and has a multitude of other uses aside from it's primary lethal purpose. Yay for the plastic bag!!!!

it holds candy too!!! a gun can't do that!!!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If you would limit your questions to the things that people are really talking about, handguns, shotguns and rifles, you would get answers to your questions. Your trying to get someone to say yes or no to a totally dumb question. Your not going to get it.

Did you watch the video above? Ted's argument is that we as human beings have a fundamental right to protect ourselves and our family...agreed. The 2nd Amendment declares that right...agreed. What the 2nd Amendment doesn't say is just how much or how far we should be able to go in protecting ourselves. That's not a ridiculous argument and actually I find it amusing that noone here is willing to define that, given the ambiguity of the 2nd Amendment. Kind of puts you at odds with your, 'just follow the Constitution' idea, doesn't it?

No it does not. People have the right to bear arms. That means guns. No one is advocating the right to own nuclear bombs or tanks. It's just a dumb argument.

It's not a dumb argument - where does it say in the 2nd Amendment, the right to bear arms is limited to guns? Are you saying the 2nd Amendment is not ambiguous? What you are in effect saying is your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is only for guns. My point is obviously an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is required. So I'm asking the question...what is or isn't acceptable as far as arms are concerned? You say only guns. Any guns? Should I be able to mount a .50 caliber machine gun onto the top of my car? Think about it...

[Peikko 1,575]

I think pitch forks would also apply, and broad swords, and possibly the swiss army knife. As for the plastic bag, well...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think pitch forks would also apply, and broad swords, and possibly the swiss army knife. As for the plastic bag, well...

I prefer a broken bottle. Or a piece of knotted wood with a nail through it.

[Peikko 1,575]

I have finally read the 2nd amendement, and some interesting discussions on what it means in the context of when it was written. Those who believe that it enforces the individual's right to own a gun seem to be connecting some rather distant dots. However, I have a lot more research and reading to do on this subject. In the meantime, I shall continue to carry a plastic bag in my pocket at all times!