Blacks in U.S. imprisoned at 5 times the rate of whites

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How about you address the correlation in socioeconomic situation between urban blacks, hispanics and native americans in the US, and equivalent people in the likes of South Africa, Australia and New Zealand?

My family was poor. My family migrated to another nation, on a ship for 30 days, with only the clothes on their back. They had no access to free education, student aid EBT etc.. Why was it we never gang banged or turned cities into hoods or did drive-bys?? Instead my siblings and cousins are doctors, scientists and engineers. My uncles who are well into their 60's still work blue collar jobs.

Being from a Southern European background we where subjected to racism and constantly harassed known as Wogs..

Noone said that people from poor or deprive backgrounds always turn to crime, but denying that there is even a correlation; more specifically, denying a distinct correlation in the socioeconomic situation of formerly repressed minority groups (across many countries) and the likelihood of those groups to be involved with crime is just... wrong.

[Heracles 417]

Noone said that people from poor or deprive backgrounds always turn to crime, but denying that there is even a correlation; more specifically, denying a distinct correlation in the socioeconomic situation of formerly repressed minority groups (across many countries) and the likelihood of those groups to be involved with crime is just... wrong.

I am not denying any correlation. What I am saying is that lets accept the facts and now work towards a solution.

If anyone in America feels they are deprived or oppressed, they have every opportunity and freedom to move elsewhere. Rather than spoil it for everybody else. Especially anyone who is conceited about their place of origin.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Noone said that people from poor or deprive backgrounds always turn to crime, but denying that there is even a correlation; more specifically, denying a distinct correlation in the socioeconomic situation of formerly repressed minority groups (across many countries) and the likelihood of those groups to be involved with crime is just... wrong.

I am not denying any correlation. What I am saying is that lets accept the facts and now work towards a solution.

If anyone in America feels they are deprived or oppressed, they have every opportunity and freedom to move elsewhere. Rather than spoil it for everybody else. Especially anyone who is conceited about their place of origin.

You spent several pages denying the correlation. Nor did I see where you 'accepted the facts'. You made bald statements about blacks and said that poverty and socioeconomic condition had little bearing on the likelihood of a person being involved in crime.

[Heracles 417]

I am not denying any correlation. What I am saying is that lets accept the facts and now work towards a solution.

If anyone in America feels they are deprived or oppressed, they have every opportunity and freedom to move elsewhere. Rather than spoil it for everybody else. Especially anyone who is conceited about their place of origin.

You spent several pages denying the correlation. Nor did I see where you 'accepted the facts'. You made bald statements about blacks and said that poverty and socioeconomic condition had little bearing on the likelihood of a person being involved in crime.

I said any and not a definite correlation. There could possibly be a correlation with certain types of crimes. I just do not accept that poverty and any other ####### is an excuse to commit murder or gang bang or be violent or damage public property to say a few. These gang bangers are not stealing to survive but are stealing for the heck of it. Gang bangers rolling around in 2004 lexus's might I add.

For how many generations are we going to accept this violence?

Edited July 24, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am not denying any correlation. What I am saying is that lets accept the facts and now work towards a solution.

If anyone in America feels they are deprived or oppressed, they have every opportunity and freedom to move elsewhere. Rather than spoil it for everybody else. Especially anyone who is conceited about their place of origin.

You spent several pages denying the correlation. Nor did I see where you 'accepted the facts'. You made bald statements about blacks and said that poverty and socioeconomic condition had little bearing on the likelihood of a person being involved in crime.

I said any and not a definite correlation. There could possibly be a correlation with certain types of crimes. I just do not accept that poverty and any other ####### is an excuse to commit murder or gang bang or be violent or damage public property to say a few. These gang bangers are not stealing to survive but are stealing for the heck of it. Gang bangers rolling around in 2004 lexus's might I add.

For how many generations are we going to accept this violence?

You still miss the point. Its not an 'excuse' its a reason; and unless you're saying that US Urban blacks / African Americans, New Zealand Maoris and Australian Aboriginals have some sort of natural biological proclivity for committing crime - you have no explanation whatsoever for the cause. That unifying (social) cause is.... P O V E R T Y.

You bang on about 'accepting the facts and moving on', but I find it hard to believe when you can't accept social inequalities.

[Heracles 417]

That unifying (social) cause is.... P O V E R T Y.

Number_6..

I stumbled across a very interesting article today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20112312/

The racial divide emerged early in the case against the Atlanta Falcons quarterback, apparent at rallies filled with cheering â۠and overwhelmingly black â۠Vick supporters and at anti-Vick protests that are noticeably white.

Just goes to show that the high incarceration rates amongst black Americans has little to do with 'poverty' but the attitude within the community, which I have been saying from day one. A lot of black Americans now choose to support someone solely based on the color of their skin. They did it with OJ.

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

...

"It's racial profiling,"

His own friend admitted to it you dumb #####..

Edited August 4, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

That unifying (social) cause is.... P O V E R T Y.

Number_6..

I stumbled across a very interesting article today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20112312/

The racial divide emerged early in the case against the Atlanta Falcons quarterback, apparent at rallies filled with cheering â۠and overwhelmingly black â۠Vick supporters and at anti-Vick protests that are noticeably white.

Just goes to show that the high incarceration rates amongst black Americans has little to do with 'poverty' but the attitude within the community, which I have been saying from day one. A lot of black Americans now choose to support someone solely based on the color of their skin. They did it with OJ.

"White folks 'been grindin' on an ax ... and that ax ain't got sharp enough for them," said Earnest Hardy Sr., who called the case a witch hunt targeting a successful black man.

...

"It's racial profiling,"

His own friend admitted to it you dumb #####..

Then explain why we see similar trends outside the US in regard to minority groups in other countries - you've still left that point pretty much unaddressed. What single factor links together the aboriginal australians, native americans, black americans, maori new zealanders and black south africans. Each of those groups has significant social problems arising out of past repression. I don't think that's something that you can pin on any particular culture - but its no coincidence that those groups remain overwhelmingly in poverty to this day. Social inequalities exist for many reasons - but I'd like to see you explain this on a broad level, as it seems simplistic to apply incidental cultural factors to what is a much larger problem.

Edited August 4, 2007 by Number 6

[Caladan 19]

Haven't read the whole thread but a couple thoughts on the whole thing:

1) Slavery as such isn't the problem. It's slavery followed by punting on Reconstruction followed by a century of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights Act only popping up within the last generation that's the problem. You know how many American middle class families today owe their success to the fact that the G.I. Bill paid for college for their grandfather so he was able to get a good job with a pension and live the American Dream? Did you know that the G.I. Bill excluded black Americans? If you give one guy a college education and the other bupkus, is it any surprise that the first guy does better?

2) So now we have a bunch of people basically a generation behind in terms of education at a time when you need an education to get ahead. And they have less money. And one place that shows up is legal representation, being able to pay a lawyer that fixes your mistakes for you. Al Gore's kid is probably not going to see any time behind bars because the lawyers will floof up a technicality or allow him a creative plea. Were he a poor kid, he'd be in for trafficking.

3) Oh, and felons can't get financial aid for college. Now, maybe that's as it should be, but it means that there's not a lot of room for second chances if you screw up. And drugs laws in the country are very bizarre.

[Heracles 417]

Then explain why we see similar trends outside the US in regard to minority groups in other countries - you've still left that point pretty much unaddressed. What single factor links together the aboriginal australians, native americans, black americans, maori new zealanders and black south africans. Each of those groups has significant social problems arising out of past repression. I don't think that's something that you can pin on any particular culture - but its no coincidence that those groups remain overwhelmingly in poverty to this day. Social inequalities exist for many reasons - but I'd like to see you explain this on a broad level, as it seems simplistic to apply incidental cultural factors to what is a much larger problem.

I did not realize black Americans where native to this land.

Nonetheless, maybe you can explain how the people defending someone rich and black solely on the color of his skim, who is cruel to animals, is due to repression and poverty.

Can anyone born after 1975 in America say they were oppressed? seriously now...

Edited August 5, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Heracles 417]

Haven't read the whole thread but a couple thoughts on the whole thing:

The original Post stated the black population in the US is imprisoned 5 times the rate of whites; With the worst ratio being in the blue states. The states which ironically have the lowest number of black Americans living in them..

Edited August 5, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Heracles 417]

Then explain why we see similar trends outside the US in regard to minority groups in other countries - you've still left that point pretty much unaddressed. What single factor links together the aboriginal australians, native americans, black americans, maori new zealanders and black south africans. Each of those groups has significant social problems arising out of past repression. I don't think that's something that you can pin on any particular culture - but its no coincidence that those groups remain overwhelmingly in poverty to this day. Social inequalities exist for many reasons - but I'd like to see you explain this on a broad level, as it seems simplistic to apply incidental cultural factors to what is a much larger problem.

Another thing is that the other groups you mentioned technically have nowhere else to go.

A whole other kettle of fish is the high standard of living in the countries which those people are now a 'part of'.

Nonetheless, absolutely no one is holding any black American hostage or as slaves here. If, as you suggest, they still have feelings of oppression, slavery or segregation by the white man, they are more than permitted and free to pack up and immigrate elsewhere; as many other people do on a daily basis rather than ###### and whine about everything. Hence the other post about people moving to Canada.

Edited August 5, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Sonshyne 2]

Nonetheless, absolutely no one is holding any black American hostage or as slaves here. If, as you suggest, they still have feelings of oppression, slavery or segregation by the white man, they are more than permitted and free to pack up and immigrate elsewhere; as many other people do on a daily basis rather than ###### and whine about everything. Hence the other post about people moving to Canada.

I have read this post and I must say that you yourself sound like a racist. IMO you have said some very negative things about African american people. I do agree with the fact that "SOME" still use the excuse of the "WHITE MAN", and haven't moved on. But there are still some caucasian people out there the that haven't quite moved on either.

Maybe one day you'll move on yourself.

[Sonshyne 2]

Just curious?

If slavery didn't exsist where would they be now? Dying of AIDs and malnutrition in Africa?

So what are you saying?? Peolple are dying right here in the US from AIDS and malnutrition.

[Sonshyne 2]

What is that culture? Who defines it and how is it/was it shaped?

For example, most Asian parents push their child's education first and make a lot of sacrifices for them to go to school. Whereas in other American cultures hip-cop and rapping is seen as the only way to success; therefore education and attendance at school means little. Cultural differences.

Sterotype

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Then explain why we see similar trends outside the US in regard to minority groups in other countries - you've still left that point pretty much unaddressed. What single factor links together the aboriginal australians, native americans, black americans, maori new zealanders and black south africans. Each of those groups has significant social problems arising out of past repression. I don't think that's something that you can pin on any particular culture - but its no coincidence that those groups remain overwhelmingly in poverty to this day. Social inequalities exist for many reasons - but I'd like to see you explain this on a broad level, as it seems simplistic to apply incidental cultural factors to what is a much larger problem.

I did not realize black Americans where native to this land.

Nonetheless, maybe you can explain how the people defending someone rich and black solely on the color of his skim, who is cruel to animals, is due to repression and poverty.

Can anyone born after 1975 in America say they were oppressed? seriously now...

1) I did not say so. I said each of those groups has significant social problems arising out of past repression. You don't seem to want to touch that cookie, that formerly repressed groups have significant social problems surviving into the present day.

2) As to "Can anyone born after 1975 in American say they were oppressed" - I responded to that several pages ago. That said - Caladan made the point quite well above. You chose to ignore that - so it seems to me that this is not so much about about discussing the topic as much as it is about 'proving me wrong'. Which you haven't BTW.