Huckabee on HIV in 1992: "We need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague"

[mawilson 2,133]

why not one guy and two bi women?

I don't see why not - if it works for you.

or go for 2 guys and 3 chicks, then that would qualify as an orgy instead of wife swapping

Charles - your idea will not work for everyone, because most people are heterosexual.

It's not "wife swapping", if I define marriage to be "a union of two men and two women".

[russ 1]

The number of deaths among people with AIDS has remained relatively stable since 1999; there were an estimated 17,011 deaths in 2005. Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 550,394 people with AIDS have died in the USA.

You are still more likely to die of Murder, Suicide, the Flu (the only other virus in the top 10, still 3 times more likely than AIDS), a car accident, falling down, and plenty of other things. If you aren't gay or an IV drug user, AIDs is not a significant cause of death in the US.

[Sister Fracas 5]

I don't find it useful as a matter of public health to sort out diseases into those that are contracted by worthy people and those who aren't.

Exactly!

In that same vain, isn't it true that heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and lung cancer, for example, can be caused by lifestyle choices. Since the people that get these diseases make poor choices, are they not as worthy?

[Ban Hammer 13,143]

why not one guy and two bi women?

I don't see why not - if it works for you.

or go for 2 guys and 3 chicks, then that would qualify as an orgy instead of wife swapping

Charles - your idea will not work for everyone, because most people are heterosexual.

It's not "wife swapping", if I define marriage to be "a union of two men and two women".

so you want to repress that inner lesbian?

[Caladan 19]

1992!, 1992? I'd hate to be judged in 2007 for an opinion I had 15 years ago. Views change, over time, when more information is brought to light.

Did you even read this thread? See post #11 amongst others saying what was known fact in 1992 regarding this issue.

And that when asked about it, he reaffirmed it.

[no name 1]

Huckabee refuses to retract '92 remarks on AIDS patients

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee refused to retract a statement he made in 1992 calling for the isolation of AIDS patients.

Surging in the polls, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee campaigns Saturday in Asheville, North Carolina.

Responding to an Associated Press questionnaire, Huckabee said steps should be taken to "isolate the carriers of this plague" during his failed run for a U.S. Senate seat from Arkansas 15 years ago.

He said he probably would not make the same statement today because of what is known about how HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, is transmitted.

"I had simply made the point -- and I still believe this today -- that in the late '80s and early '90s, when we didn't know as much as we do now about AIDS, we were acting more out of political correctness than we were about the normal public health protocols that we would have acted," Huckabee told Fox News on Sunday.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded in 1985 that AIDS was not transmitted by casual contact. But Huckabee said at the time, "there were other concerns being voiced by public health officials."

He disputed the characterization that he was calling for individuals infected with HIV to be quarantined.

"Now, would I say things a little differently in 2007? Probably so," Huckabee told Fox News. "But I'm not going to recant or retract from the statement that I did make because, again, the point was not saying we ought to lock people up who have HIV/AIDS."

Huckabee did not explain how individuals with HIV would have been isolated.

During his Senate run, Huckabee also told the AP in the questionnaire that he found homosexuality to be "an aberrant, unnatural and sinful lifestyle."

Speaking Monday in Miami, Florida, Huckabee said he still stands by his earlier remarks on homosexuality.

"Let's understand what sin means," Huckabee said. "Sin means missing the mark. Missing the mark could mean missing the mark in any area. We've all missed the mark."

The former Baptist minister said the "proper relationship" is one between a married man and woman having children.

"If we didn't have that as the ideal, we wouldn't have a civilization that was able to perpetuate," he said. "So, rather than read into something incredibly out of line, just read into the fact that I believe that the ideal relationship is one-man, one-woman, pro-life."

The former Arkansas governor has come under increased scrutiny since his rapid rise in the polls, particularly in Iowa, where a McClatchy-MSNBC poll conducted December 3-6 has him leading the GOP field with the support of 32 percent of likely caucus-goers.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who had been leading in Iowa for months, was the second closest rival for the GOP presidential nomination, at 20 percent. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Huckabee also has come under scrutiny for his role in the parole of a convicted rapist who later went on to rape and kill another woman.

As Arkansas governor, Huckabee supported the parole of Wayne DuMond, who was convicted and sentenced to a life term for raping a 17-year-old girl. After DuMond's parole in 1999, he killed a woman in Kansas City, Missouri, in 2003. DuMond died in prison two years later.

Huckabee wrote a 1996 letter to DuMond supporting his release from prison, but the candidate said the decision was made by a parole board dominated by appointees of his predecessors, Jim Guy Tucker and Bill Clinton.

Former members of the Arkansas Parole Board at the time also said that Huckabee pressured them to approve DuMond's parole, though Huckabee denies doing so.

The number of deaths among people with AIDS has remained relatively stable since 1999; there were an estimated 17,011 deaths in 2005. Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 550,394 people with AIDS have died in the USA.

You are still more likely to die of Murder, Suicide, the Flu (the only other virus in the top 10, still 3 times more likely than AIDS), a car accident, falling down, and plenty of other things. If you aren't gay or an IV drug user, AIDs is not a significant cause of death in the US.

I don't think we were ever disputing that fact (I never saw anyone say so), jundp asked for the # of US AIDS deaths & I posted it.

Edited December 10, 2007 by devilette

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My personal opinion is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I've heard this statement many times before, but can anyone explain what it really means?

I mean, whose idea was it to marry men and women to begin with?

How did marriage begin? When did the first "marriage" take place?

Anthropologically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a man or a woman to have a

single partner, so I'm guessing it was "the church" that decided that men should

marry women, and they probably had an ulterior motive for doing so.

The same reason the Church has been trying so long and hard to kill Darwinian evolution.

Monogamy actually doesn't make any sense.

Monogamy exists in the animal kingdom so I doubt the Church invented the concept.

So does polygamy. Your point?

See the above in red (mawilson's post). I thought I was clear...don't blame monogamy on religious doctrine.

[Alex+R 0]

My personal opinion is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I've heard this statement many times before, but can anyone explain what it really means?

I mean, whose idea was it to marry men and women to begin with?

How did marriage begin? When did the first "marriage" take place?

Anthropologically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a man or a woman to have a

single partner, so I'm guessing it was "the church" that decided that men should

marry women, and they probably had an ulterior motive for doing so.

The same reason the Church has been trying so long and hard to kill Darwinian evolution.

Monogamy actually doesn't make any sense.

Monogamy exists in the animal kingdom so I doubt the Church invented the concept.

So does polygamy. Your point?

See the above in red (mawilson's post). I thought I was clear...don't blame monogamy on religious doctrine.

The closer in size the males and females of a species are, the more monogamous they are, in nature. We're still getting there...

[mawilson 2,133]

I do blame monogamy on religious doctrine, and the fact that monogamy exists in the animal kingdom doesn't prove jack.

(BTW, monogamy is very rare in mammals. Of 4,000+ mammal species, only a dozen or so are monogamous.)

[LaL 418]

My personal opinion is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I've heard this statement many times before, but can anyone explain what it really means?

I mean, whose idea was it to marry men and women to begin with?

How did marriage begin? When did the first "marriage" take place?

Anthropologically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a man or a woman to have a

single partner, so I'm guessing it was "the church" that decided that men should

marry women, and they probably had an ulterior motive for doing so.

The same reason the Church has been trying so long and hard to kill Darwinian evolution.

Monogamy actually doesn't make any sense.

Monogamy exists in the animal kingdom so I doubt the Church invented the concept.

So does polygamy. Your point?

See the above in red (mawilson's post). I thought I was clear...don't blame monogamy on religious doctrine.

The closer in size the males and females of a species are, the more monogamous they are, in nature. We're still getting there...

there is also a study that shows if the males have

foreskin

the species with that feature are overwhelmingly non-monogomous

*shrugs*

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

My personal opinion is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I've heard this statement many times before, but can anyone explain what it really means?

I mean, whose idea was it to marry men and women to begin with?

How did marriage begin? When did the first "marriage" take place?

Anthropologically speaking, it doesn't make sense for a man or a woman to have a

single partner, so I'm guessing it was "the church" that decided that men should

marry women, and they probably had an ulterior motive for doing so.

The same reason the Church has been trying so long and hard to kill Darwinian evolution.

Monogamy actually doesn't make any sense.

Monogamy exists in the animal kingdom so I doubt the Church invented the concept.

So does polygamy. Your point?

See the above in red (mawilson's post). I thought I was clear...don't blame monogamy on religious doctrine.

The closer in size the males and females of a species are, the more monogamous they are, in nature. We're still getting there...

there is also a study that shows if the males have

foreskin

the species with that feature are overwhelmingly non-monogomous

*shrugs*

foreskin makes us non-monogamous? i don't get it.

Edited December 10, 2007 by VJ Troll

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I do blame monogamy on religious doctrine, and the fact that monogamy exists in the animal kingdom doesn't prove jack.

(BTW, monogamy is very rare in mammals. Of 4,000+ mammal species, only a dozen or so are monogamous.)

Then blame polygamy on religion also since the ancient Hebrews were polygamists as an example. I think there are more factors that came into play as to why monogamy became the standard in Western Civilization than just because the Pope said so.

[mawilson 2,133]

Then blame polygamy on religion also since the ancient Hebrews were polygamists as an example. I think there are more factors that came into play as to why monogamy became the standard in Western Civilization than just because the Pope said so.

Perhaps, but do you know what those factors were?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Monogamy isn't new. The pre-christians Romans were at it as well and they were polytheists.

[mawilson 2,133]

foreskin makes us non-monogamous? i don't get it.

I don't get it either. I also don't see why it's funny.