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[Satellite 1]

Maybe I'm just happy with it because this forum is so low traffic that we can almost always get away with stretching the TOS when we need to. In any case I've been pretty satisfied with the information and discussions here as it is.

I'll second that. I don't even bother posting in the K1 or AOS forum because those people jump on every little thing that is slightly illegal. Heck, before the Russian forum my account was twice suspended for TOS violations because my advice suggested doing something illegal, like having the K1 holder working for cash before and after marriage, but before the EAD, because it will raise money for AOS, which will then forgive the illegal work!

[slim 1,525]

I agree that we shouldn't be posting "illegal" suggestions on this forum (or any other forum on VJ) but as Satellite aluded to above, there are things posted here in the Russia forum, that are 100% necessary for dealing with the unique VJ process through Moscow, that would be torn to pieces in the other forums where the "by-the-book" posters (who also have the luxury, more often than not, of going through the VJ process in countries like England and Canada).

As we've had in the past, it's a shame when there's something relevant posted in these forums and the TOS police jump on it or close the thread. I don't recall a time when anyone in here blatantly said "you can do this to defraud the govt." That's just never happened on this forum. (To my recollection.) But there have been more than a few times when suggestions have been made where there is something of a "loophole" that can be jumped through and folks are quick to blast it as "illegal."

The bottom line is there are so many rules wrapped up in the VJ process that going about a visa case one way or another will no doubt be toeing the line on a few gray areas. Only the lucky few have the very straightforward process that is never in question. Hell, we're already at a disadvantage because of the country we're dealing with. It's almost automatically a gray area when going through Moscow, that's why there's such scrutiny involved in each case. But, as evidenced by the video clip and related story, it's not like there are going to be cases of people with real relationships who are actually trying to go about the process in the legal way getting busted up because of the dedicated agents sitting over at the ICE or any other Homeland Security Internet Monitoring Substation parusing the pages of VJ. (Or Craigslist.)

And lastly, all the posts on here are for advice. When you're broke and looking for a job you could take the advice of the famous rappers and hustle all day slanging crack cocaine and pimpin b!tches, or you could do what most people with half a brain do and that is apply at a few different places, evaluate your options, and choose the best one for you. Same thing should happen with VJ. Take the advice of the posters on the forums, check them out with the guides and official USCIS websites, and then do the best thing for your case. Just because someone says "you should file this form" doesn't mean you really need to. There are a lot of awesome people here on VJ (and especially in this forum) so usually the advice is spot-on, but when there are threads with the "looking for options" type scenarios then the options presented shouldn't be shut down simply because they're in the gray area. After all, there's only a thin gray line between rappin about slanging crack cocaine and actually doing it. Now, pimpin b!tches on the other hand, that's illegal!

[mox 298]

Yeah, every "gray area" I've seen mentioned has had to do with how to handle the Russian side of the house, not the U.S. The U.S. part of the process is pretty straight forward and doesn't lend itself well to loopholes or tricks anyway. Unless you're very well connected, you pretty much stand in line with the rest of the peasants. And the people who *are* out to commit fraud pretty much know what they're going to do anyway. You don't have to come to VJ to know how to create a fake relationship and lie your way through the process. Hmmm...come to think of it, my ex was pretty good at faking a relationship and lying through the process, and she wasn't even trying to get a Visa. Not that I'm bitter...

[slim 1,525]

Why is divorce so expensive?

- Because it's worth it.

[mox 298]

True dat. Hell I almost feel like I should have tipped her on my way out.