Huckabee in 1998: "The real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives. I hope we ... take this nation back for Christ"

[Jenn! 918]

I dunno why people have to focus so much on how religious a candidate is.. that doesn't affect his performance as a president or elect leader.. it doesn't have anything to do.. ohh, great, he prays to Hay-sus every morning.. cuz that's gonna make him a better decision taker.. or, he'll say Jesus guided him to do something, which is scary as fukc, to let your leader do something because some deity said, rather than common sense, and facts...

I don't mind if in their personal time the candidates are mormons, christians, buddhists, hare-krishnas.. but there's no point of mixing religion and your capability to be a good leader.. if it gives you confidence, good, but, religion is not AN IMPORTANT fact to guide a country..

I agree with that. If I recall we had a similar discussion in this country in 1960. People were afraid that Kennedy would take his orders from the Pope. That turned out to me false. I am sure if Huckabee were to win he wouldn't take his orders from anyone either. Religious people scare some without reason. In reality they use religious bigotry as an excuse to slam someone that has different political views. To bad this country has gotten to the point where it is OK to use a persons religious beliefs as an attack platform. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

Kennedy was elected *despite* being Catholic. Huckabee is using his religiosity to try and win votes. Big difference.

If you're going to try and use your religion to your advantage, then you better be prepared for the backlash, IMO.

Really? Then why do most of the major candidates make it a point to be seen leaving church on sunday morning? There is a constituency out there that wants the candidates to have a religious grounding. All candidates that want to have a chance play to that constituency. Huckabee is no different.

Huckabee is the self-proclaimed "Christian Leader". That *is* his platform. But people aren't allowed to criticise it because that would be religious bigotry? I just don't understand.

[Caladan 19]

The difference is that when Kennedy was asked whether he'd take orders from the Pope, he said no. And there's a difference between thinking that your faith and beliefs should inform your politics, and that your job should be to create a theocracy.

[pedroh 21]

I dunno why people have to focus so much on how religious a candidate is.. that doesn't affect his performance as a president or elect leader.. it doesn't have anything to do.. ohh, great, he prays to Hay-sus every morning.. cuz that's gonna make him a better decision taker.. or, he'll say Jesus guided him to do something, which is scary as fukc, to let your leader do something because some deity said, rather than common sense, and facts...

I don't mind if in their personal time the candidates are mormons, christians, buddhists, hare-krishnas.. but there's no point of mixing religion and your capability to be a good leader.. if it gives you confidence, good, but, religion is not AN IMPORTANT fact to guide a country..

I agree with that. If I recall we had a similar discussion in this country in 1960. People were afraid that Kennedy would take his orders from the Pope. That turned out to me false. I am sure if Huckabee were to win he wouldn't take his orders from anyone either. Religious people scare some without reason. In reality they use religious bigotry as an excuse to slam someone that has different political views. To bad this country has gotten to the point where it is OK to use a persons religious beliefs as an attack platform. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

note the day. gary, pedroh, and i all agree.

It's because we've found Hay-sus..

[GaryC 7]

The difference is that when Kennedy was asked whether he'd take orders from the Pope, he said no. And there's a difference between thinking that your faith and beliefs should inform your politics, and that your job should be to create a theocracy.

I don't see him trying to create a theocracy. To take comments made to a group of pastors 9 years ago and somehow translating that to a presidential platform is reaching.

[no name 1]

:crying:

Between that & his HIV comments, he is one scary mofo.

Edited December 10, 2007 by devilette

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The difference is that when Kennedy was asked whether he'd take orders from the Pope, he said no. And there's a difference between thinking that your faith and beliefs should inform your politics, and that your job should be to create a theocracy.

I don't see him trying to create a theocracy. To take comments made to a group of pastors 9 years ago and somehow translating that to a presidential platform is reaching.

Gary, please stop obfuscating.

His comments were clearly political.

"The reason we have so much government is because we have so much broken humanity. And the reason we have so much broken humanity is because sin reigns in the hearts and lives of human beings instead of the Savior." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"Government knows it does not have the answer, but it's arrogant and acts as though it does. Church does have the answer but will cowardly deny that it does ans wonder when the world will be changed." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives. <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"There's not one thing we can do in those marbled [governmental] halls domed capitols that can equal what's done when Jesus touches the lives of a sinner." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I dunno why people have to focus so much on how religious a candidate is.. that doesn't affect his performance as a president or elect leader.. it doesn't have anything to do.. ohh, great, he prays to Hay-sus every morning.. cuz that's gonna make him a better decision taker.. or, he'll say Jesus guided him to do something, which is scary as fukc, to let your leader do something because some deity said, rather than common sense, and facts...

I don't mind if in their personal time the candidates are mormons, christians, buddhists, hare-krishnas.. but there's no point of mixing religion and your capability to be a good leader.. if it gives you confidence, good, but, religion is not AN IMPORTANT fact to guide a country..

I agree with that. If I recall we had a similar discussion in this country in 1960. People were afraid that Kennedy would take his orders from the Pope. That turned out to me false. I am sure if Huckabee were to win he wouldn't take his orders from anyone either. Religious people scare some without reason. In reality they use religious bigotry as an excuse to slam someone that has different political views. To bad this country has gotten to the point where it is OK to use a persons religious beliefs as an attack platform. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

Not really considering that Huckabee either is driven by his religious belief system in declaring homosexuality a sinister lifestyle or he just hasn't gotten the memo yet that it ain't no lifestyle - or choice for that matter - but rather a flaw in the genetic code. It is presumably that conviction of his that drove him to the idea to quarantine HIV/AIDS infected people (all sinners anyways). I'd like to see a person in the White House that has a bit more measure and control over personal emotions than that.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

:crying:

No woman, no cry.

If it's Hil and Huck, Hil will wipe the floor.

[GaryC 7]

The difference is that when Kennedy was asked whether he'd take orders from the Pope, he said no. And there's a difference between thinking that your faith and beliefs should inform your politics, and that your job should be to create a theocracy.

I don't see him trying to create a theocracy. To take comments made to a group of pastors 9 years ago and somehow translating that to a presidential platform is reaching.

Gary, please stop obfuscating.

His comments were clearly political.

"The reason we have so much government is because we have so much broken humanity. And the reason we have so much broken humanity is because sin reigns in the hearts and lives of human beings instead of the Savior." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"Government knows it does not have the answer, but it's arrogant and acts as though it does. Church does have the answer but will cowardly deny that it does ans wonder when the world will be changed." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"I didn't get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives. <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"There's not one thing we can do in those marbled [governmental] halls domed capitols that can equal what's done when Jesus touches the lives of a sinner." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

"I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ." <--- POLITICAL STATEMENT

Please show me where this is his presidential platform. This was 9 years ago. I am sure I could find statements made by all the candidates years ago that no longer apply to the current situation. It's still reaching IMO.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Huckabee is the self-proclaimed "Christian Leader". That *is* his platform. But people aren't allowed to criticise it because that would be religious bigotry? I just don't understand.

Huck has pulled the Christian Leader ads.

Huckabee will begin airing two new ads tomorrow. "A New America" will air in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, while "Secure Borders" will air only in Iowa. His three-state ad seems almost like a reintroduction to voters in the early primary states, now that Huckabee has a little more money and the spotlight shining on him due to recent polls.

The ad touts Huckabee's positive vision for America's future and his desire to leave the next generation "an America that's even greater than our grandparents gave us." The ad shows the candidate sitting on a couch and talking into a camera interspersed with images of Huckabee as a child. There are also the ubiquitous images of Americana, like a smiling mother and her son sitting on a stoop, a mother pushing her daughter in a swing and a factory worker being lifted up in a cherry-picker. Words displayed over the pictures trumpet Huckabee's accomplishments as governor, such as being labeled one of the best governors in America by Time Magazine.

But both ads also does something else -- they drop “Christian Leader” from the titles on the screen. “Proven Leader” is, instead, substituted.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200.../10/508378.aspx

[Caladan 19]

The difference is that when Kennedy was asked whether he'd take orders from the Pope, he said no. And there's a difference between thinking that your faith and beliefs should inform your politics, and that your job should be to create a theocracy.

I don't see him trying to create a theocracy. To take comments made to a group of pastors 9 years ago and somehow translating that to a presidential platform is reaching.

Read his website. Read everything the man's argued for.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

:crying:

Between that & his HIV comments, he is one scary mofo.

Yes... I can't believe that the guy would have suddenly changed his mind between then and now. Assuming of course he actually mean't what he was saying in the first place. Even so - I wouldn't want to vote for someone like that.

Still I'm sure there must be some people out there who believe that a vote for Huckabee is a vote for "Jayzus"

[jundp 191]

That was 9 years ago. Have anything a little more recent?

Are you implying he doesn't believe this anymore?

I say that if you look at his record the fears that he will be the pope east are unfounded. There is nothing wrong with using your beliefs to guide you. He was speaking to other pastors. Context is everything.

OMG. I think I agree with Gary.

Please note: I don't personally like Huckabee, but I agree with Gary's statement.

Did Hell just freeze?!

[no name 1]

That was 9 years ago. Have anything a little more recent?

Are you implying he doesn't believe this anymore?

I say that if you look at his record the fears that he will be the pope east are unfounded. There is nothing wrong with using your beliefs to guide you. He was speaking to other pastors. Context is everything.

OMG. I think I agree with Gary.

Please note: I don't personally like Huckabee, but I agree with Gary's statement.

Did Hell just freeze?!

and....? He won't retract his comments on AIDS or gays....

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...99948&st=65

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That was 9 years ago. Have anything a little more recent?

Are you implying he doesn't believe this anymore?

I say that if you look at his record the fears that he will be the pope east are unfounded. There is nothing wrong with using your beliefs to guide you. He was speaking to other pastors. Context is everything.

OMG. I think I agree with Gary.

Please note: I don't personally like Huckabee, but I agree with Gary's statement.

Did Hell just freeze?!