Man shoots at least 5 in Omaha mall

[natty bumppo 297]

Dude, nobody here said to outlaw them, just outlaw the sale to terrorists and known felons, asking too much? I dont think so.

new here aren't you ? not familiar with the laws ?

And ... how do you identify a terrorist ?

I'm more familiar with them than you are obviously. The gun show loophole allows anyone to purchase these types of weapons in many states. Why not read up on it a little, I'll wait till you catch up.

And I use the term terrorist in the most popular sense of the word. Like Osama Bin Laden. I hope that’s not to obscure for you.

You really don't want to go there ... so for the rest of us ... please define the "gun show loophole". And how to purchase a (if you're a felon) from a dealer at a show. Please cover information for a felon to complete a: 4473, background check, waiting period (if required by local law).

I'd love to hear the rules for identification of a terrorist by the "average joe" written by cmartyn.

So to use your example ... if you had not seen pictures of OBL in the media ... how would YOU (or anyone else) know he was a terrorist? Is it the hairy wart on the tip of the nose? Tattoo on the forehead? What about those terrorists that have not had pictures published in the media or are still not active (wannabes)?

[Caladan 19]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

[SteveLaura 0]

[P]lease define the "gun show loophole". And how to purchase a (if you're a felon) from a dealer at a show. Please cover information for a felon to complete a: 4473, background check, waiting period (if required by local law).

I thought that was covered here:

GUN SHOW CHECKS

Are background checks required at gun shows? Partial

The state requires a criminal background check be done prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales). But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

[Amby 490]

i overheard this story on the today show this morning but didn't get all of the details. quite tragic.

[Fandango 1,440]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

Says you?

That was terrorism imo...

[natty bumppo 297]

[P]lease define the "gun show loophole". And how to purchase a (if you're a felon) from a dealer at a show. Please cover information for a felon to complete a: 4473, background check, waiting period (if required by local law).

I thought that was covered here:

GUN SHOW CHECKS

Are background checks required at gun shows? Partial

The state requires a criminal background check be done prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales). But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

So ... who needs a gunshow to purchase from a private individual? The term "gunshow loophole" is purely alarmist propaganda with a catchy phrase.

All an individual needs to do is simply go next door … or downtown … or anyplace where individuals can buy/sell anything.

And ... the sale by a private individual at these gunshow venues is no different than a sale from the trunk of your car in a parking lot or to a friend/ neighbor within your own home.

[SteveLaura 0]

[P]lease define the "gun show loophole". And how to purchase a (if you're a felon) from a dealer at a show. Please cover information for a felon to complete a: 4473, background check, waiting period (if required by local law).

I thought that was covered here:

GUN SHOW CHECKS

Are background checks required at gun shows? Partial

The state requires a criminal background check be done prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales). But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

So ... who needs a gunshow to purchase from a private individual? The term "gunshow loophole" is purely alarmist propaganda with a catchy phrase.

All an individual needs to do is simply go next door … or downtown … or anyplace where individuals can buy/sell anything.

And ... the sale by a private individual at these gunshow venues is no different than a sale from the trunk of your car in a parking lot or to a friend/ neighbor within your own home.

See, now I'm confused. I got the impression that you were arguing that such a loophole didn't exist and that in fact it's very difficult to buy guns without a background check. You now seem to be saying the exact opposite. I'm obviously reading one of these wrong.

[natty bumppo 297]

[P]lease define the "gun show loophole". And how to purchase a (if you're a felon) from a dealer at a show. Please cover information for a felon to complete a: 4473, background check, waiting period (if required by local law).

I thought that was covered here:

GUN SHOW CHECKS

Are background checks required at gun shows? Partial

The state requires a criminal background check be done prior to the purchase of handguns at gun shows (a police-issued permit is required for all handgun sales). But no background check is required for anyone buying a long gun at a gun show if it is sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Long guns, including assault weapons like the AK47, can be sold at gun shows on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want. No records are required to be kept on such sales either, making it almost impossible for police to trace the weapons if they are used in a crime.

So ... who needs a gunshow to purchase from a private individual? The term "gunshow loophole" is purely alarmist propaganda with a catchy phrase.

All an individual needs to do is simply go next door … or downtown … or anyplace where individuals can buy/sell anything.

And ... the sale by a private individual at these gunshow venues is no different than a sale from the trunk of your car in a parking lot or to a friend/ neighbor within your own home.

See, now I'm confused. I got the impression that you were arguing that such a loophole didn't exist and that in fact it's very difficult to buy guns without a background check. You now seem to be saying the exact opposite. I'm obviously reading one of these wrong.

There is no "loophole" for the private sale at a gunshow as there is not a restriction on a private sale at other venues (home, office, street). So how can there be a "loophole" at gunshows for a private seller?

Don't confuse a dealer with a private individual.

[Fandango 1,440]

Anytime I hear 'lone gunman', I think of that movie Arlington Road...

[Caladan 19]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

Says you?

That was terrorism imo...

Says paying attention to how these things get covered. (It isn't terrorism -- there's no ideology.)

[Fandango 1,440]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

Says you?

That was terrorism imo...

Says paying attention to how these things get covered. (It isn't terrorism -- there's no ideology.)

so then 'terrorism' is defined by the presence of ideology and not whether the terrorist is or is not Muslim? I'm confused.

I would most certainly call this act a terrorist one...

[Caladan 19]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

Says you?

That was terrorism imo...

Says paying attention to how these things get covered. (It isn't terrorism -- there's no ideology.)

so then 'terrorism' is defined by the presence of ideology and not whether the terrorist is or is not Muslim? I'm confused.

I would most certainly call this act a terrorist one...

I'll explain my offhand remark. Suppose this guy turns out to be Muslim. We'll hear lots from pundits about how Muslims are incapable of behaving in Western society, how they're all terrorists, how we should put them in detention centers, etc. Even if it's found that he had no ties to any particular group or ideology. He'll be proof of a terrorist attack.

If he turns out to be a citizen who used to go to church, we won't hear arguments about how we need to lock up all Christians.

Terrorism is defined by the presence of ideology; otherwise it's just mass murder.

[Fandango 1,440]

For the 'average joe' & most of the media: if the shooter was Muslim, it was an act of terrorism. If he wasn't it was a lone deranged soul.

Says you?

That was terrorism imo...

Says paying attention to how these things get covered. (It isn't terrorism -- there's no ideology.)

so then 'terrorism' is defined by the presence of ideology and not whether the terrorist is or is not Muslim? I'm confused.

I would most certainly call this act a terrorist one...

I'll explain my offhand remark. Suppose this guy turns out to be Muslim. We'll hear lots from pundits about how Muslims are incapable of behaving in Western society, how they're all terrorists, how we should put them in detention centers, etc. Even if it's found that he had no ties to any particular group or ideology. He'll be proof of a terrorist attack.

If he turns out to be a citizen who used to go to church, we won't hear arguments about how we need to lock up all Christians.

Terrorism is defined by the presence of ideology; otherwise it's just mass murder.

But I think you're contradicting yourself a bit....if we go by your definition of terrorism, this wasn't terrorism.

If this guy DID have an ideology, then he's a terrorist. If not, (to me) he's still a terrorist.

There will always be people who stereotype, but imo, I think you do mainstream America a disservice by assuming most 'average schmos' are Muslim hating xenophobes who wanna lock everyone up.