Conservatives not sure what to do about good news on Iran

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

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This guy has a vested interest in keeping people believing that the Muslims are out the get them. After all, thats what he makes his money on.

that's one way to look at it........here's another for those not so closed minded:

If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

- sun tzu

[Dan J 277]

Can you post an article for someone who isn't so biased?

There wasn't anything biased about what I posted. It was the way things were at that time. Your bias will not let you accept the truth that all available inteligence at the time said Iraq had WMD's. Most of your dem friends including Clinton thought the same thing.

So do you normally get advice from a salesman about the product he/she is selling?

Look at the author, look at the company he owns, and tell me again how his opinion on the Iraq war is not biased.

[GaryC 7]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/libra...october2002.htm

Read the NIE report from 2002. So you didn't believe them then but you now hold them up as the truth standard for Iran. How selective is that?

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The way the two sides are arguing over this, you'd think we already invaded Iran.

[GaryC 7]

Can you post an article for someone who isn't so biased?

There wasn't anything biased about what I posted. It was the way things were at that time. Your bias will not let you accept the truth that all available inteligence at the time said Iraq had WMD's. Most of your dem friends including Clinton thought the same thing.

So do you normally get advice from a salesman about the product he/she is selling?

Look at the author, look at the company he owns, and tell me again how his opinion on the Iraq war is not biased.

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Carroll Associates was founded in 2004 by Thomas Patrick Carroll, a former officer in the CIA's Clandestine Service. Mr. Carroll joined the CIA in 1982 and served for over a decade, including seven years covert duty in the Middle East. The Agency lifted his cover in 1999.

I would say that this guy is an expert in the field. He wrote the story BEFORE he started the company. So he didn't have a interest in the outcome. He just put his expertise into use later. That makes him more credible not less.

[Dan J 277]

Can you post an article for someone who isn't so biased?

There wasn't anything biased about what I posted. It was the way things were at that time. Your bias will not let you accept the truth that all available inteligence at the time said Iraq had WMD's. Most of your dem friends including Clinton thought the same thing.

So do you normally get advice from a salesman about the product he/she is selling?

Look at the author, look at the company he owns, and tell me again how his opinion on the Iraq war is not biased.

About Us

Carroll Associates was founded in 2004 by Thomas Patrick Carroll, a former officer in the CIA's Clandestine Service. Mr. Carroll joined the CIA in 1982 and served for over a decade, including seven years covert duty in the Middle East. The Agency lifted his cover in 1999.

I would say that this guy is an expert in the field. He wrote the story BEFORE he started the company. So he didn't have a interest in the outcome. He just put his expertise into use later. That makes him more credible not less.

Which is like saying the car salesman was an car engineer before he became a salesman. That doesn't preclude bias.

The CIA is no longer paying him. He might still have the knowledge from that job, but his new job, puts him into quite a conflict of interest.

[GaryC 7]

Can you post an article for someone who isn't so biased?

There wasn't anything biased about what I posted. It was the way things were at that time. Your bias will not let you accept the truth that all available inteligence at the time said Iraq had WMD's. Most of your dem friends including Clinton thought the same thing.

So do you normally get advice from a salesman about the product he/she is selling?

Look at the author, look at the company he owns, and tell me again how his opinion on the Iraq war is not biased.

About Us

Carroll Associates was founded in 2004 by Thomas Patrick Carroll, a former officer in the CIA's Clandestine Service. Mr. Carroll joined the CIA in 1982 and served for over a decade, including seven years covert duty in the Middle East. The Agency lifted his cover in 1999.

I would say that this guy is an expert in the field. He wrote the story BEFORE he started the company. So he didn't have a interest in the outcome. He just put his expertise into use later. That makes him more credible not less.

Which is like saying the car salesman was an car engineer before he became a salesman. That doesn't preclude bias.

The CIA is no longer paying him. He might still have the knowledge from that job, but his new job, puts him into quite a conflict of interest.

So your assuming bias because he is saying things you don't agree with? This guy knows more about the situation than you do. Sorry if I find your opinion less than credible on this guys level of bias. And how can there be a conflict of interest if he wrote the story BEFORE he started the business? Are you saying he wanted a war to start so he could start a business? Reaching if you ask me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

so bush owns the french, israel, british, and other intel services?

[GaryC 7]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

Edited December 5, 2007 by GaryC

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

You failed to look up the guy. The intelligence service actually rebutted the very claim that he - an AQ operative - made and that Bush and Cheney went around the country proliferating even though they knew that there was no credibility to the Saddam - AQ link that Bush wanted to establish so bad that he ignored the intelligence on this one and just went with what the enemy told him. Look it up. It's well documented. The case for war was fabricated. It's alright, Gary. It's not a matter of debate anymore, really. Everyone knows that it was.

[GaryC 7]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

You failed to look up the guy. The intelligence service actually rebutted the very claim that he - an AQ operative - made and that Bush and Cheney went around the country proliferating even though they knew that there was no credibility to the Saddam - AQ link that Bush wanted to establish so bad that he ignored the intelligence on this one and just went with what the enemy told him. Look it up. It's well documented. The case for war was fabricated. It's alright, Gary. It's not a matter of debate anymore, really. Everyone knows that it was.

Right, your going to believe this guy over the rest of the world? Sorry, it does not wash with me. I can roll out dozens of dems, including the Clintons that said the same thing. (you do remember that Clinton was the president and had access to the same intel don't you?) The case for the war was not fabricated. It may have been wrong about the WMD's but it wasn't fabricated. The only ones that think that are the Bush haters. But if you do believe that Bush was able to fool the world then you need to say the man is a genius for being able to pull it off. You can't have it both ways.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

You failed to look up the guy. The intelligence service actually rebutted the very claim that he - an AQ operative - made and that Bush and Cheney went around the country proliferating even though they knew that there was no credibility to the Saddam - AQ link that Bush wanted to establish so bad that he ignored the intelligence on this one and just went with what the enemy told him. Look it up. It's well documented. The case for war was fabricated. It's alright, Gary. It's not a matter of debate anymore, really. Everyone knows that it was.

Right, your going to believe this guy over the rest of the world? Sorry, it does not wash with me. I can roll out dozens of dems, including the Clintons that said the same thing. (you do remember that Clinton was the president and had access to the same intel don't you?) The case for the war was not fabricated. It may have been wrong about the WMD's but it wasn't fabricated. The only ones that think that are the Bush haters. But if you do believe that Bush was able to fool the world then you need to say the man is a genius for being able to pull it off. You can't have it both ways.

Not this guy. Not me. Bush did. The DIA told Bush that the guy ain't reliable and that his testimony is inconsistent. The DIA, Gary. Bush took the word of this crook over the evaluation of the DIA. And then he turned around complaining about bad intelligence. Tell me, who's trying to have it both ways?

[GaryC 7]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

You failed to look up the guy. The intelligence service actually rebutted the very claim that he - an AQ operative - made and that Bush and Cheney went around the country proliferating even though they knew that there was no credibility to the Saddam - AQ link that Bush wanted to establish so bad that he ignored the intelligence on this one and just went with what the enemy told him. Look it up. It's well documented. The case for war was fabricated. It's alright, Gary. It's not a matter of debate anymore, really. Everyone knows that it was.

Right, your going to believe this guy over the rest of the world? Sorry, it does not wash with me. I can roll out dozens of dems, including the Clintons that said the same thing. (you do remember that Clinton was the president and had access to the same intel don't you?) The case for the war was not fabricated. It may have been wrong about the WMD's but it wasn't fabricated. The only ones that think that are the Bush haters. But if you do believe that Bush was able to fool the world then you need to say the man is a genius for being able to pull it off. You can't have it both ways.

Not this guy. Not me. Bush did. The DIA told Bush that the guy ain't reliable and that his testimony is inconsistent. The DIA, Gary. Bush took the word of this crook over the evaluation of the DIA. And then he turned around complaining about bad intelligence. Tell me, who's trying to have it both ways?

So your going to ignore all the other intel that said Saddam had WMD's? Your going to ignore the fact that GB, France, Germany and Israel all thought he had WMD's? Now who is cherry picking? So are you going to say Bush is a genius for being able to fool the world? You can't have it both ways.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, we pay billions every year for an intelligence service that we ignore when the intelligence is contrary to the political objectives. We ignored intelligence on Iraq, and some want to do the same for Iran. So which defense company does this guy own stock in?

This is the same intelligence service that said Saddam had WMD's. Sounds like someone else is believing what they want to believe.

No, Gary. Wasn't like that. Wasn't like that at all.

WMD, ties to AQ - all fabricated by the Bushies to get their war.

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi - look him up and you know what I mean.

Thats exactly how it was. Everyone, dem and rep alike thought the same thing. Even other countries thought it. You think that Bush was able to fool everyone? Then you need to change your personal title to "Bush is a genius" if you think that.

You failed to look up the guy. The intelligence service actually rebutted the very claim that he - an AQ operative - made and that Bush and Cheney went around the country proliferating even though they knew that there was no credibility to the Saddam - AQ link that Bush wanted to establish so bad that he ignored the intelligence on this one and just went with what the enemy told him. Look it up. It's well documented. The case for war was fabricated. It's alright, Gary. It's not a matter of debate anymore, really. Everyone knows that it was.

Right, your going to believe this guy over the rest of the world? Sorry, it does not wash with me. I can roll out dozens of dems, including the Clintons that said the same thing. (you do remember that Clinton was the president and had access to the same intel don't you?) The case for the war was not fabricated. It may have been wrong about the WMD's but it wasn't fabricated. The only ones that think that are the Bush haters. But if you do believe that Bush was able to fool the world then you need to say the man is a genius for being able to pull it off. You can't have it both ways.

Not this guy. Not me. Bush did. The DIA told Bush that the guy ain't reliable and that his testimony is inconsistent. The DIA, Gary. Bush took the word of this crook over the evaluation of the DIA. And then he turned around complaining about bad intelligence. Tell me, who's trying to have it both ways?

So your going to ignore all the other intel that said Saddam had WMD's? Your going to ignore the fact that GB, France, Germany and Israel all thought he had WMD's? Now who is cherry picking? So are you going to say Bush is a genius for being able to fool the world? You can't have it both ways.

Well, I think most of the world had enough of a doubt to request inspections to ascertain what is going on exactly. It was a very small number of countries that rather pulled the trigger without warrant. Let's remember that.