Illegal Chinese immigrants land in U.S. limbo

[almaty 19]

i would imagine that has to happen over a long period of time

[Traviesa 0]

i would imagine that has to happen over a long period of time

Not necessarily. I hate continuing to do this but I think I may be the only specimen on here who has actually experienced all this...

If you consider the fact that Javier had been here for about 3 years, which isn't really a lot of time, he had already begun to use, think, and dream in English; he was accustomed to the climate and his job; he was used to being able to go to the mall or Walmart for whatever you may need, dinners at the Outback and movies on Tuesday nights...now this may not seem like significant stuff...but when you get used to things like that, it can be very difficult to readjust. For example, the very first week he was home he became violently ill and had to be taken to the hospital. This was due to a combination of the heat, the food, and the water quality. He so often would complain of being "bored" meaning those old things he was used to doing all of a sudden weren't options anymore. He actually made the comment that he felt like an "alien" in his own country-people would look at him funny for speaking on the phone to me in English, he had to go back to living in an un-air conditioned house, sharing a room with all his siblings. He went back to his parents' house after several years of being independent. It was a difficult adjustment. He still doesn't really like it there all that much, although he has gotten used to it. The point is, it doesn't take all that long to grow accustomed to a way of life and standard of living...not to mention if you happen to develop meaningful relationships along the way...

[Sister Fracas 5]

The point is, it doesn't take all that long to grow accustomed to a way of life and standard of living...not to mention if you happen to develop meaningful relationships along the way...

many people who have adjustment problems would disagree with you there....

[Mirorgate 0]

i would imagine that has to happen over a long period of time

Not necessarily. I hate continuing to do this but I think I may be the only specimen on here who has actually experienced all this...

If you consider the fact that Javier had been here for about 3 years, which isn't really a lot of time, he had already begun to use, think, and dream in English; he was accustomed to the climate and his job; he was used to being able to go to the mall or Walmart for whatever you may need, dinners at the Outback and movies on Tuesday nights...now this may not seem like significant stuff...but when you get used to things like that, it can be very difficult to readjust. For example, the very first week he was home he became violently ill and had to be taken to the hospital. This was due to a combination of the heat, the food, and the water quality. He so often would complain of being "bored" meaning those old things he was used to doing all of a sudden weren't options anymore. He actually made the comment that he felt like an "alien" in his own country-people would look at him funny for speaking on the phone to me in English, he had to go back to living in an un-air conditioned house, sharing a room with all his siblings. He went back to his parents' house after several years of being independent. It was a difficult adjustment. He still doesn't really like it there all that much, although he has gotten used to it. The point is, it doesn't take all that long to grow accustomed to a way of life and standard of living...not to mention if you happen to develop meaningful relationships along the way...

So you are saying that acclimitizing to an environment, and societal adjustments are ties that are stronger in new places than where one grew up?

Honestly, if it were that easy, I don't think it would be as big an issue as it is. And the ties the gov'ment wants proof of, are more materialistic in nature.

[Traviesa 0]

i would imagine that has to happen over a long period of time

Not necessarily. I hate continuing to do this but I think I may be the only specimen on here who has actually experienced all this...

If you consider the fact that Javier had been here for about 3 years, which isn't really a lot of time, he had already begun to use, think, and dream in English; he was accustomed to the climate and his job; he was used to being able to go to the mall or Walmart for whatever you may need, dinners at the Outback and movies on Tuesday nights...now this may not seem like significant stuff...but when you get used to things like that, it can be very difficult to readjust. For example, the very first week he was home he became violently ill and had to be taken to the hospital. This was due to a combination of the heat, the food, and the water quality. He so often would complain of being "bored" meaning those old things he was used to doing all of a sudden weren't options anymore. He actually made the comment that he felt like an "alien" in his own country-people would look at him funny for speaking on the phone to me in English, he had to go back to living in an un-air conditioned house, sharing a room with all his siblings. He went back to his parents' house after several years of being independent. It was a difficult adjustment. He still doesn't really like it there all that much, although he has gotten used to it. The point is, it doesn't take all that long to grow accustomed to a way of life and standard of living...not to mention if you happen to develop meaningful relationships along the way...

So you are saying that acclimitizing to an environment, and societal adjustments are ties that are stronger in new places than where one grew up?

Honestly, if it were that easy, I don't think it would be as big an issue as it is. And the ties the gov'ment wants proof of, are more materialistic in nature.

No, not just that...that combined with developing meaninful relationships. I forgot to mention cultural issues. American cultural life is very different from many other parts of the world. I would go so far as to say Javier actually began to think like an American. He celebrated American holidays as well. This is just for informational purposes.

[dalegg 143]

It doesn't matter that they are Chinese. We know that Mexico is missing a lot of their citizens, so to make up for the missing numbers we can send them these extra people.

[Mirorgate 0]

So you are saying that acclimitizing to an environment, and societal adjustments are ties that are stronger in new places than where one grew up?

Honestly, if it were that easy, I don't think it would be as big an issue as it is. And the ties the gov'ment wants proof of, are more materialistic in nature.

No, not just that...that combined with developing meaninful relationships. I forgot to mention cultural issues. American cultural life is very different from many other parts of the world. I would go so far as to say Javier actually began to think like an American. He celebrated American holidays as well. This is just for informational purposes.

yes, american culture is very different from many places. that is a given.

Glad to know that he still has ties here with you.

yet again, those aren't really the type of ties that keep you in one place. Suppose you got an awesome job in say... Argentina or Brazil for a 5 yr stint... you both then could go there.. establish adjustments to those places, but then you would still want to both come back here after that job finishes as both of those countries do not have what this country does. Not saying here is necessarily better nor worse... just that it is not.

but the thought that here is "home", and that is where the strongest ties lie, that is my point. If someone tries to give it a go here, and consider this home, then they will always try to get back to that.

[Jasman0717 9]

let them stay everybody else does..and offer them citizenship on the spot...

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Beijing stalls return of 39,000 of its nationals, frustrated DHS officials say

39,000? Are you kidding me? We have like 11,000,000 or so illegals here and they are worried about 39,000 of them. ** that propaganda. That "make them feel good by showing them we're doing something" #######. Seriously.

[iceyspots 0]

In fact, they didn't believe Javier was Mexican and wanted to deport him to Italy. How fun that would have been!

Why did they think he was from Italy??

AS, you got me on that one! It was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard-first off, he doesn't look or speak Italian, second, he was caught with a bunch of Mexicans!!!

Interesting. If they sent him to Italy, assuming the Italian government took him, would he have become (legally) an Italian?

lol........ Looks like people can get free trips around the world... Italy would deny him and send him to Spain and then he would get kicked from there and go to france, and end up basking in the mediterranean sun.

[tom&tata 2]

Beijing stalls return of 39,000 of its nationals, frustrated DHS officials say

39,000? Are you kidding me? We have like 11,000,000 or so illegals here and they are worried about 39,000 of them. ** that propaganda. That "make them feel good by showing them we're doing something" #######. Seriously.

Or because they are small enough so they can be replaced soon or too small number to stir up demonstration