San Francisco to give illegal aliens ID cards

[natty bumppo 297]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I can hear them explaining who they are ....

"This is me !"

[TinTin and Samby 11]

I'd love to see all federal monies taken away from cities, counties and states that do this.

-Samby

[mawilson 2,133]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

[Fandango 1,439]

I'd love to see all federal monies taken away from cities, counties and states that do this.

-Samby

[Leney 0]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

Hrmm k but if they had all those, and ever intended to be forthcoming and honest with their personal information then why didn't they apply legally in the first place

I bet San Francisco just wanted some attention, they were sick of being known for Riceroni, a horrible football team, and Homosexuals

Edited November 21, 2007 by Leney

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Seems to be pretty pointless.

[peejay 327]

I thought of the same thing but at the same time, WE CANNOT SET A PRECEDENCE.

Would you rather they drive around uninsured, unregistered, uninspected, and unlicensed?

I'd rather not see them in the USA at all and when they do break the law to get here the government at all levels shouldn't give these people anything to legitimize, enable, encourage, and reward their illegality. Period!

Local police at all levels should get 287(g) training from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security training program that teaches local law enforcement officials how to identify illegal aliens driving illegally, screen inmates in jails for immigration status, and report illegal aliens for deportation.

Zero tolerance for drunk driving? How about zero tolerance for illegal alien driving? Zero tolerance for illegal aliens...period!

[mawilson 2,133]

Hrmm k but if they had all those, and ever intended to be forthcoming and honest with their personal information then why didn't they apply legally in the first place

Apply legally for what? There's no visa category for low-skilled workers.

[no name 1]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

You honestly think they carry their birth certificate? I alreaduy said assuming they are non-passport carrying....and credit cards???? Come on. It'll be forged foreign papers leading to forged US IDs.

Edited November 21, 2007 by devilette

[Caladan 19]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

You honestly think they carry their birth certificate? I alreaduy said assuming they are non-passport carrying....and credit cards???? Come on. It'll be forged foreign papers leading to forged US IDs.

Not everyone who is here illegally is carrying forged papers. (Overstay a visa like 4 million have, you have a valid passport.)

New Haven has a similar program. It does not grant one the ability to drive, but it serves as legal identification. So it can be used for all city services, to obtain a bank account, a library card, and as a general form of ID. The bank account bit is the most important one as far as the city is concerned. Immigrants and aliens (illegal or otherwise) tend to carry a lot of cash on them, usually because they can't get bank accounts. This increases their desirability as a target, which means there's a lot more armed street crime, which makes it less safe for everyone else. The hope is that the money will go in the bank instead.

It's too early to say whether the program's been a success here, but one interesting thing is the number of students who have jumped at the chance for the ID. International students often have a hell of a time getting ID because they often don't or can't drive here. In other words, it's turned out not to be just the 'illegal ID.' It's just a city ID that is indifferent to national origin.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

You honestly think they carry their birth certificate? I alreaduy said assuming they are non-passport carrying....and credit cards???? Come on. It'll be forged foreign papers leading to forged US IDs.

Not true at all. Of course, people don't carry around their birth certificates, but they do have documentation that can be received with a BC: passport, ID from home country (not usually a driver's license, though) and sometimes an ID card from the consulate. Of course, it's unlikely that ONE person has all of these, but most have some combo of these.

And as far as tax returns, many file with their REAL NAMES and an ITIN granted by the US government.

[no name 1]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

You honestly think they carry their birth certificate? I alreaduy said assuming they are non-passport carrying....and credit cards???? Come on. It'll be forged foreign papers leading to forged US IDs.

Not everyone who is here illegally is carrying forged papers. (Overstay a visa like 4 million have, you have a valid passport.)

New Haven has a similar program. It does not grant one the ability to drive, but it serves as legal identification. So it can be used for all city services, to obtain a bank account, a library card, and as a general form of ID. The bank account bit is the most important one as far as the city is concerned. Immigrants and aliens (illegal or otherwise) tend to carry a lot of cash on them, usually because they can't get bank accounts. This increases their desirability as a target, which means there's a lot more armed street crime, which makes it less safe for everyone else. The hope is that the money will go in the bank instead.

It's too early to say whether the program's been a success here, but one interesting thing is the number of students who have jumped at the chance for the ID. International students often have a hell of a time getting ID because they often don't or can't drive here. In other words, it's turned out not to be just the 'illegal ID.' It's just a city ID that is indifferent to national origin.

Expired passports/other ID perhaps. International students have to get college picture IDs which are generally just as good for banks - along with a college letter/passport, etc.

Eh, time will tell.

[Bootylicious!! 2]

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

Hrmm k but if they had all those, and ever intended to be forthcoming and honest with their personal information then why didn't they apply legally in the first place

I bet San Francisco just wanted some attention, they were sick of being known for Riceroni, a horrible football team, and Homosexuals

For one thing there isn't a visa for them. For another, they don't have the money. Do you honestly think if they had tons of money to spend on visas they'd be bothering with crossing the border illegally?

What information does an illegal provide to show they are who they say they are? Assuming most are not passport-carrying members of society....

I imagine the same sort of documents that a US citizen would show to prove

who they are - birth certificates, passports, driver's licences from their home

countries, utility bills, social security cards, pay stubs, bank statements, credit

cards, school / university diplomas, employer-issued ID, tax returns, etc etc

You honestly think they carry their birth certificate? I alreaduy said assuming they are non-passport carrying....and credit cards???? Come on. It'll be forged foreign papers leading to forged US IDs.

Actually, Javi had his birth certificate with him. His original birth certificate. It might not have been the smartest thing to carry across a desert for 3 days when he ran out of water and nearly died, but he had it none the less.

[pedroh 21]

Hrmm k but if they had all those, and ever intended to be forthcoming and honest with their personal information then why didn't they apply legally in the first place

Apply legally for what? There's no visa category for low-skilled workers.

yea, how would illegals apply 'the right way', if there's no a specific visa for them

[SteveLaura 0]

But... but... but... they're illegal! *sigh*

Happy Thanksgiving, Squanto. Cheers for not asking to see papers.