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...or written on the gravestones of the ones that conceived too many.

I'm wondering how he's come up with the definintion of "too many." By that statement, it seems he has an idea in his mind already of how many is too many. And you, ET US, the one who reads between all lines, should be able to see that unless it's just certain people's lines who you read between, ie, the ones who don't agree with you...

What I'm saying, is there are various cultural and religious reasons for having a lot of children. For example, one US family has I believe 17 children-they've had a TV program made about them. Since that TV program, they had several more kids. Are you faulting them too for having too many kids or are they excluded because they happen to live comfortably?

It would really help your ability to carry on a debate if you could learn to look at the bigger picture every now and then and don't pull each and every statement down to an individual or even personal level. A family ("a" as in one) with 17+ kids does not account for an exploding population in this here country. A population that doubled within a generation does. ;)

No, one family does not-my point was that because of that family's religious beliefs they have decided to accept as many children as God will give them. Now if there is a whole nation of families who believe the same thing but don't have as much money-what about that?

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He stated...

...or written on the gravestones of the ones that conceived too many.

I'm wondering how he's come up with the definintion of "too many." By that statement, it seems he has an idea in his mind already of how many is too many. And you, ET US, the one who reads between all lines, should be able to see that unless it's just certain people's lines who you read between, ie, the ones who don't agree with you...

What I'm saying, is there are various cultural and religious reasons for having a lot of children. For example, one US family has I believe 17 children-they've had a TV program made about them. Since that TV program, they had several more kids. Are you faulting them too for having too many kids or are they excluded because they happen to live comfortably?

It would really help your ability to carry on a debate if you could learn to look at the bigger picture every now and then and don't pull each and every statement down to an individual or even personal level. A family ("a" as in one) with 17+ kids does not account for an exploding population in this here country. A population that doubled within a generation does. ;)

No, one family does not-my point was that because of that family's religious beliefs they have decided to accept as many children as God will give them. Now if there is a whole nation of families who believe the same thing but don't have as much money-what about that?

but... i don't see that happening anywhere? :huh:

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He stated...

...or written on the gravestones of the ones that conceived too many.

I'm wondering how he's come up with the definintion of "too many." By that statement, it seems he has an idea in his mind already of how many is too many. And you, ET US, the one who reads between all lines, should be able to see that unless it's just certain people's lines who you read between, ie, the ones who don't agree with you...

What I'm saying, is there are various cultural and religious reasons for having a lot of children. For example, one US family has I believe 17 children-they've had a TV program made about them. Since that TV program, they had several more kids. Are you faulting them too for having too many kids or are they excluded because they happen to live comfortably?

It would really help your ability to carry on a debate if you could learn to look at the bigger picture every now and then and don't pull each and every statement down to an individual or even personal level. A family ("a" as in one) with 17+ kids does not account for an exploding population in this here country. A population that doubled within a generation does. ;)

No, one family does not-my point was that because of that family's religious beliefs they have decided to accept as many children as God will give them. Now if there is a whole nation of families who believe the same thing but don't have as much money-what about that?

That would probably be a good reason the begin to change the cultural beliefs of the citizens.

Maybe they should have to apply for a permit from the government.

I finally got rid of the never ending money drain. I called the plumber, and got the problem fixed. I wish her the best.

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He stated...

...or written on the gravestones of the ones that conceived too many.

I'm wondering how he's come up with the definintion of "too many." By that statement, it seems he has an idea in his mind already of how many is too many. And you, ET US, the one who reads between all lines, should be able to see that unless it's just certain people's lines who you read between, ie, the ones who don't agree with you...

What I'm saying, is there are various cultural and religious reasons for having a lot of children. For example, one US family has I believe 17 children-they've had a TV program made about them. Since that TV program, they had several more kids. Are you faulting them too for having too many kids or are they excluded because they happen to live comfortably?

It would really help your ability to carry on a debate if you could learn to look at the bigger picture every now and then and don't pull each and every statement down to an individual or even personal level. A family ("a" as in one) with 17+ kids does not account for an exploding population in this here country. A population that doubled within a generation does. ;)

No, one family does not-my point was that because of that family's religious beliefs they have decided to accept as many children as God will give them. Now if there is a whole nation of families who believe the same thing but don't have as much money-what about that?

but... i don't see that happening anywhere? :huh:

That's what he's saying is happening in certain countries-in this case Mexico. He's using the fact that they have a lot of kids and not a lot of money to partially explain illegal immigration. (Well I assume he supports that since he has posted the article about it). However, my point is like I said, what if there were the same population of individuals in the same situation only NOT conveniently connected to the US. What then? They would make do. It's not the population that's the problem.

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

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... what if there were the same population of individuals in the same situation only NOT conveniently connected to the US. What then? They would make do. It's not the population that's the problem.

Think Bangladesh, a much poorer country with a significantly worse overpopulation problem.

They come illegally to the US too, but in much smaller numbers.

They STREAM across the porous land border into India, though. Certain border states are close to majority Bangladeshi-origin. And India isn't even that much better off than Bangladesh. And it's almost just as overpopulated.

Yeah so I agree. It's more about proximity than overpopulation. More about prosperity than overpopulation, too.

Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is.

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You should stop taking everything said about illegal mexicans so personally. it dont do you and Javier any good.

You've completely missed the point of my posts. First of all, this has nothing to do with me and Javier. He's not here illegally and we don't have any kids. This situation does not even relate to us. What I am saying is that the population of Mexico is not the cause of illegal immigration. How you got something about me and Javier from that is beyond me.

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

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You should stop taking everything said about illegal mexicans so personally. it dont do you and Javier any good.

You've completely missed the point of my posts. First of all, this has nothing to do with me and Javier. He's not here illegally and we don't have any kids. This situation does not even relate to us. What I am saying is that the population of Mexico is not the cause of illegal immigration. How you got something about me and Javier from that is beyond me.

you're always upset when someone mentions something about illegal mexicans. sorry, just an observation. i do still think you're cool :D

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Obviously no one learned anything from Pedroh's "I'm leaving post" either. Let it go people. We all know we have an illegal immigration problem. We don't have to have 50 threads a day on VJ about it. It really is getting a little old. And yeah, I know, if I don't want to read it I don't have too. I used to enjoy coming to off-topic and seeing all the different posts. Now, it's just obnoxious. You can't even enjoy it anymore.

Just couldn't stay my @ss away!

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You should stop taking everything said about illegal mexicans so personally. it dont do you and Javier any good.

You've completely missed the point of my posts. First of all, this has nothing to do with me and Javier. He's not here illegally and we don't have any kids. This situation does not even relate to us. What I am saying is that the population of Mexico is not the cause of illegal immigration. How you got something about me and Javier from that is beyond me.

you're always upset when someone mentions something about illegal mexicans. sorry, just an observation. i do still think you're cool :D

FWIW, anyone who has a penguin as an avatar is automatically cool with me. Just for the record, I wasn't upset in this post and I hope I didn't come across that way. I just don't agree that the population is a material factor in illegal immigration.

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

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You should stop taking everything said about illegal mexicans so personally. it dont do you and Javier any good.

You've completely missed the point of my posts. First of all, this has nothing to do with me and Javier. He's not here illegally and we don't have any kids. This situation does not even relate to us. What I am saying is that the population of Mexico is not the cause of illegal immigration. How you got something about me and Javier from that is beyond me.

but isnt precisely the problem???? whole generations of kids growing up that want to work, and there are no opportunities.

I finally got rid of the never ending money drain. I called the plumber, and got the problem fixed. I wish her the best.

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You should stop taking everything said about illegal mexicans so personally. it dont do you and Javier any good.

You've completely missed the point of my posts. First of all, this has nothing to do with me and Javier. He's not here illegally and we don't have any kids. This situation does not even relate to us. What I am saying is that the population of Mexico is not the cause of illegal immigration. How you got something about me and Javier from that is beyond me.

you're always upset when someone mentions something about illegal mexicans. sorry, just an observation. i do still think you're cool :D

FWIW, anyone who has a penguin as an avatar is automatically cool with me. Just for the record, I wasn't upset in this post and I hope I didn't come across that way. I just don't agree that the population is a material factor in illegal immigration.

My apologies then :D

And I do believe that illegal immigration is much more complicated than just an over population problem.

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Obviously no one learned anything from Pedroh's "I'm leaving post" either. Let it go people. We all know we have an illegal immigration problem. We don't have to have 50 threads a day on VJ about it. It really is getting a little old. And yeah, I know, if I don't want to read it I don't have too. I used to enjoy coming to off-topic and seeing all the different posts. Now, it's just obnoxious. You can't even enjoy it anymore.

you don't have to read them... don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out...

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies."

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006



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Obviously no one learned anything from Pedroh's "I'm leaving post" either. Let it go people. We all know we have an illegal immigration problem. We don't have to have 50 threads a day on VJ about it. It really is getting a little old. And yeah, I know, if I don't want to read it I don't have too. I used to enjoy coming to off-topic and seeing all the different posts. Now, it's just obnoxious. You can't even enjoy it anymore.

you don't have to read them... don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out...

:o I liked you much better with the panda avatar. That was just plain mean.

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

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I think I mentioned in my post I didn't have to read them. I would however, like to read something when I come to off-topic and at this rate that's pretty hard to do. That's okay though, you all just keep it up and see how many other's you can run off. *This is me leaving and not letting the door hit my ### on the way out* Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Just couldn't stay my @ss away!

 

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