illegal immigrants (another poll)

[no name 1]

I love the constant It's against the law!!! defense.

I suppose that those who cry foul and tell people like me that I have no regard for laws because I wouldn't turn people in have NEVER EVER run afoul of a law in your life. Right? That would follow logically since that's one of the main arguments. Never drank before turning 21 (depending on age, perhaps 18)? Never performed or received oral sex in a state in which laws prohibiting it are still on the books?

And laws are human-made and meant to change with the times and needs of society. If it's found that a law is unjust or doesn't work for society, then it's changed. Just like many want to do to either enforce immigration laws or create a path to citizenship.

oh so you can admit there are immigration laws (being broken)?

Edited November 16, 2007 by devilette

[SMOKE 1,426]

yes, i would turn them in.

yes, i would enjoy it.

yes, i would wave bye bye to them as they leave.

yes, i would be filthy rich if my employer tried any retaliatory action.

no, i don't care if you like my opinion or answer.

Edited November 16, 2007 by tapout

[Reynaldo 0]

[sarah and hicham 3]

if you worked at a place and KNEW there were multiple illegal immigrants working there, would you turn them in?

explain.

Is that why you were forced to quit your job? Did you turn someone in?

[peejay 327]

At my job, the production operations employees work directly for the oil companies and are not illegal aliens. It is the construction contractors that do work on our facilities that have laborers that are obviously illegal aliens. Of course these contractors can get away with this because it is the illegal alien that commits the fraud by providing them with stolen or counterfeit documents to get the job. This lets the contractors and the oil companies get a free ride if ICE drops by to audit them. The truth is that ICE never has raided an offshore production platform way out on the Gulf of Mexico and probably never will. It's not a chicken plant with hundreds of employees. At most a raid on a production platform would nail 6 or 8 illegals. Not to mention that the construction project would likely be finished and gone before ICE would ever get around to it. The key is to audit the companies that hire the illegals.

Hopefully soon the lawsuits to try to stop the "no match" Social Security audits and mandatory firing of "no match" illegal workers will be resolved in favor of allowing this key tool to be used against illegal aliens and the crooks that hire them. This will go a long way to rid the workplace of illegal labor. Illegal aliens have no right to work in the USA illegally. Who gives a sh*t if EWI is a civil or criminal offense? Illegal aliens have no right to illegal work. Period!

Also urge your US Congressman and Senator to vote the S.A.V.E. Act into law. It will force employers to verify their employees are not illegal aliens. Here is more about the Secure America with Verification Enforcement Act:

http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/attrition.html

I voted "other" because I feel it is more effective to pester my elected representatives to mandate resources to effectively and actually enforce the law. Nail the employers and the illegal aliens will go home home when they cannot easily work illegally here in the USA with impunity as they do now. The root cause is the abundant opportunity to work illegally. Crack down on the source of the problem...the employers.

[mawilson 2,133]

For the boneheads that say "no, never! its not my business."...........please give me all your money now since you don't seem to care about it.

I do care about my money, but I don't think there are any illegals with a PhD in maths trying to steal my job away from me.

People do whatever they can to survive, even if sometimes it means breaking the law. Law enforcement is not my job, and as long as no-one's life or livelihood is being threatened, I'm not going to interfere.

[Alex+R 0]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

[Ban Hammer 13,669]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

i see your not an azzhole with nothing better to do and raise that with..........

no, i have my head in rectal defilade and i don't see the problem

now what if people like the field they are in, one that is threatened by illegals (yes your more pc term of undocumented duly noted). is that tough chit for them?

[SMOKE 1,426]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

yah saw those too.....can't imagine why these illegal immigration threads always turn into hateful spittin matches

[Alex+R 0]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

i see your not an azzhole with nothing better to do and raise that with..........

no, i have my head in rectal defilade and i don't see the problem

now what if people like the field they are in, one that is threatened by illegals (yes your more pc term of undocumented duly noted). is that tough chit for them?

Dunno, not that I want to get into this extremely pointless "debate" (in quotes because I think the term refers to a more elevated kind of argument than what's happening here) but I read a long report that showed the only questionable impact these immigrants might have is on the labor market for Americans without high school educations. No evidence showing an impact on anyone else, and even the link between immigrants and slight decline in opportunity for high school dropouts was dubious.

[Ban Hammer 13,669]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

yah saw those too.....can't imagine why these illegal immigration threads always turn into hateful spittin matches

i guess next up, we'll hear bank robbers termed as "non-account holder cash withdrawers"

[Ban Hammer 13,669]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Also, seriously, if you're American, like Gupt said, try getting into a better field so undocumented workers don't threaten you economically.

i see your not an azzhole with nothing better to do and raise that with..........

no, i have my head in rectal defilade and i don't see the problem

now what if people like the field they are in, one that is threatened by illegals (yes your more pc term of undocumented duly noted). is that tough chit for them?

Dunno, not that I want to get into this extremely pointless "debate" (in quotes because I think the term refers to a more elevated kind of argument than what's happening here) but I read a long report that showed the only questionable impact these immigrants might have is on the labor market for Americans without high school educations. No evidence showing an impact on anyone else, and even the link between immigrants and slight decline in opportunity for high school dropouts was dubious.

i'll take that as a yes, sucks to be them americans with less than a high school education. or for anyone else that enjoys doing the same type of labor that an illegal would impact.

and i've got plenty of reports too that indicate the impact isn't just on the very low end of the labor market....want some reports on illegals killing people in the usa? no, of course not. that might ruin your rosey outlook.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I see your "no, I'm not a snitch" and raise it to "no, I'm not an a$$hole with nothing better to do."

Well who honestly wants to be the old lady with the twitching net curtains?

I agree with Peejay here - better use of time to lobby elected representatives and get employment laws properly enforced.

[sereia 0]

if you worked at a place and KNEW there were multiple illegal immigrants working there, would you turn them in?

explain.

Is that why you were forced to quit your job? Did you turn someone in?

no, it is not why... but when i explained to someone what happened they said i should turn all the illegals in to get the owner in trouble (almost half working there are...and have personally admitted it to me. ) so that made me wonder what everyone here on vj would do since illegal immigration is such a hot topic. thats all

Edited November 16, 2007 by sereia

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So you knowingly hire illegals?

Of course. Try getting a quote from a few, they have the best prices. I work for my money and I'm not about to hand more than I need to over to someone just because he has the right paperwork.

now what if people like the field they are in, one that is threatened by illegals (yes your more pc term of undocumented duly noted). is that tough chit for them?

Yes.

Edited November 17, 2007 by VJ Troll