illegal immigrants (another poll)

[sereia 0]

if you worked at a place and KNEW there were multiple illegal immigrants working there, would you turn them in?

explain.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

absofarkinglutely.

[Jenn! 918]

Absolutely not, not my business, and I'm not a snitch.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Only if reporting them meant I'd get a promotion or an awesome raise

I voted no.

[stinger157 0]

The word that decides everything is illegal.

Would not everyone turn in a co-worker who killed another co-worker?

I don't see any difference. Against the law is against the law.

[no name 1]

Absolutely not, not my business, and I'm not a snitch.

abetting is not snitching, it's illegal as well.

[Caladan 19]

There's no such thing as generalized 'abetting', and even if there were, failure to report someone else's illegal presence is not a violation of any law.

I can't imagine that I'd know someone's status with enough certainty to bother with ICE; there's guesses, but guesses seems to have put LaL's husband on the no-fly list for being an engineer while Arab, so I think I'd counsel caution.

[jundp 191]

I realize this is a hypothetical, but still. I voted "other." First of all, I work in a private school and I'm a department head, so I do the hiring in my department. It would be impossible for an illegal worker to get a job in my school because of the intensity of background checks that are performed. However, suppose one slipped through the cracks, somehow, someway. I don't know that I would be able to turn someone in for this. I know that the debate rages over "illegal is illegal" and it is inconceivable to some that there are people who make what is seemingly a black and white issue (in terms of constants, not in terms of race!) into something involving grey areas. However, I do not equate murder with being here illegally, etc. I do believe there are grey areas.

I'm sure with my admission I am opening myself up to attack, but I'm ok with that. Honestly, I've never been in the position so I cannot say for sure, but my gut says "No, you wouldn't turn them in, Jen."

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I have no problem abetting a criminal act if I believe the law that defines that act as criminal is unjust. Most immigration law is unjust.

[Marilyn. 340]

Q: What constitutes "aiding and abetting?"

A: Aiding and abetting is a theory of criminal liability. You can be guilty of a crime either as a principal perpetrator or as an aider and abettor.

Aiding and abetting applies to someone who assists in or facilitates the doing of a crime. To be held accountable as an aider and abettor, you must know of the criminal objective and do something to make it succeed. For example, if you drive your friend to a meeting where you know your friend is going to buy drugs, you may be an aider and abettor in the drug transaction.

The key here is knowledge. While the level of participation of the aider and abettor may be relatively minor, the prosecution must show more than presence in a vehicle carrying drugs or association with conspirators known to be involved in a crime.

In other words, mere presence at the scene of a crime, even with guilty knowledge that a crime is being committed, isn't enough to make you liable for the crime itself, unless and until you do something to help the crime succeed.

Under federal law, the punishment for someone who aids and abets a crime is the same as the punishment for the person who principally committed the crime. In some states, the punishment may be less.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/Criminal-Law-C...-FAQs.html#FOUR

Edited November 16, 2007 by MarilynP

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Absolutely not, not my business, and I'm not a snitch.

abetting is not snitching, it's illegal as well.

Being here illegally is a civil offense, not a criminal one.

Edited November 16, 2007 by Mister Fancypants

[LoriLawless 0]

No, not my place. Don't care what you think and not explaining why.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Bill: You know, it just happened.

Sheriff: Did Stan try to stop you at any time?

Bill: No. I mean, he was... Is that a big deal?

Sheriff: Aidin' and abettin'.

Bill: Aiding and abetting? Is that a major thing?

Sheriff: Oh, yeah. Yeah!

[no name 1]

Q: What constitutes "aiding and abetting?"

A: Aiding and abetting is a theory of criminal liability. You can be guilty of a crime either as a principal perpetrator or as an aider and abettor.

Aiding and abetting applies to someone who assists in or facilitates the doing of a crime. To be held accountable as an aider and abettor, you must know of the criminal objective and do something to make it succeed. For example, if you drive your friend to a meeting where you know your friend is going to buy drugs, you may be an aider and abettor in the drug transaction.

The key here is knowledge. While the level of participation of the aider and abettor may be relatively minor, the prosecution must show more than presence in a vehicle carrying drugs or association with conspirators known to be involved in a crime.

In other words, mere presence at the scene of a crime, even with guilty knowledge that a crime is being committed, isn't enough to make you liable for the crime itself, unless and until you do something to help the crime succeed.

Under federal law, the punishment for someone who aids and abets a crime is the same as the punishment for the person who principally committed the crime. In some states, the punishment may be less.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/Criminal-Law-C...-FAQs.html#FOUR

Employers then are guilty. As they should be. Hopefully the new legislation that's been talked about will come to fruition.

[stinger157 0]

I realize this is a hypothetical, but still. I voted "other." First of all, I work in a private school and I'm a department head, so I do the hiring in my department. It would be impossible for an illegal worker to get a job in my school because of the intensity of background checks that are performed. However, suppose one slipped through the cracks, somehow, someway. I don't know that I would be able to turn someone in for this. I know that the debate rages over "illegal is illegal" and it is inconceivable to some that there are people who make what is seemingly a black and white issue (in terms of constants, not in terms of race!) into something involving grey areas. However, I do not equate murder with being here illegally, etc. I do believe there are grey areas.

I'm sure with my admission I am opening myself up to attack, but I'm ok with that. Honestly, I've never been in the position so I cannot say for sure, but my gut says "No, you wouldn't turn them in, Jen."

Where do you see a grey area?

Breaking a law is breaking a law and law breakers need to be prosecuted, sentenced and punished.

Edited November 16, 2007 by stinger157