Anti-immigration hysteria holds 17M Latino voters hostage

[Chica Yeyé 41]

you know it brother....just like Lenin took russia,.,amerika will be ours..i blowing yo mt rushmore and repalcing it with lennon and the marx brothers

LOL ...and we need to carve Cheech in there for our Mexcan brethen comrade recruits.

i agree..

Mexican komrade responding to the kall... planning on inundating See-@-TL with spicy-hot bombs in public bathrooms

And, "in topic"... I hear you pedroh, Latin Americans (for understanding of my hate of the panoptic term "hispanic" or "latino", see Peter McLaren, 1999) who are legal residents or citizens in the country are indeed upset and feel prosecuted. Heck, I don't even vote yet and I am. But really, who cares what a Mexican like moi has to say? it's just the flavour du jour so we might as well swallow it with salsa verde... AS IF.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

because we do have USCs with family in both countries who would be impacted negatively by any proposed border crackdown.

The phrase 'tough t*tties' comes to mind...

USCs (should be) our priority not their illegal friends & family.

Perhaps - but given that they are USCs (with the right to vote and choose elected representatives who represent their interests) you can't exactly go around telling them how they should think or indeed what their priorities on a given issue should be. They do have the right to have different local and national priorities to you.

and you are implying we need to care about them first.

Certainly not. I'm merely saying it makes less of a clear-cut case (as far as national agendas go) than people are wanting to admit. Also that there are differences of opinion on that subject in different parts of the country. IMO - you're more likely to see a sympathetic outlook from hispanic USCs living in states that border Mexico than elsewhere in the country.

[SMOKE 1,426]

how exactly will enforcement of the law, tighter border security & checking an individuals ID have a negative impact on trade?

Instead of 100 trucks per hour coming through a border crossing, only 60 will. To compensate, we could hire more personnel in which case either your taxes will go up to pay for it or some other program will be cut somewhere to compensate.

I'm not suggesting security shouldn't be tighter - merely pointing out suggesting that tightening security will have no impact is silly.

you're not reaching to make a point are you? the trucks you are talking about have drivers w/ special clearance at the border. & i seriously doubt stopping for a 2-3 minute id check w/ reduce traffic of these trucks by 40%...its not like they are cruisin @ 60 mph through the border.

[natty bumppo 297]

I can't talk for other nationalities, I can only speak for mine..

Personally I don't care the nationallity ... it is the fact of being illegal.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

how exactly will enforcement of the law, tighter border security & checking an individuals ID have a negative impact on trade?

Instead of 100 trucks per hour coming through a border crossing, only 60 will. To compensate, we could hire more personnel in which case either your taxes will go up to pay for it or some other program will be cut somewhere to compensate.

I'm not suggesting security shouldn't be tighter - merely pointing out suggesting that tightening security will have no impact is silly.

you're not reaching to make a point are you? the trucks you are talking about have drivers w/ special clearance at the border. & i seriously doubt stopping for a 2-3 minute id check w/ reduce traffic of these trucks by 40%...its not like they are cruisin @ 60 mph through the border.

I've spent 2 hours waiting in traffic at a land crossing. If you add time to each check but don't increase staffing, you'll back things up. This isn't rocket science.

[SMOKE 1,426]

how exactly will enforcement of the law, tighter border security & checking an individuals ID have a negative impact on trade?

Instead of 100 trucks per hour coming through a border crossing, only 60 will. To compensate, we could hire more personnel in which case either your taxes will go up to pay for it or some other program will be cut somewhere to compensate.

I'm not suggesting security shouldn't be tighter - merely pointing out suggesting that tightening security will have no impact is silly.

you're not reaching to make a point are you? the trucks you are talking about have drivers w/ special clearance at the border. & i seriously doubt stopping for a 2-3 minute id check w/ reduce traffic of these trucks by 40%...its not like they are cruisin @ 60 mph through the border.

I've spent 2 hours waiting in traffic at a land crossing. If you add time to each check but don't increase staffing, you'll back things up. This isn't rocket science.

40% reduction? no not rocket science. just another unfounded & unrealistic claim.

[Peikko 1,575]

QUOTE(Purple_Hibiscus @ Nov 13 2007, 11:50 AM) *

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

There is a bigger world out there than what happens on VJ. There are bigots and their bigotry has a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

taps fingers........

[NavarreMan 10]

QUOTE(Purple_Hibiscus @ Nov 13 2007, 11:50 AM) *

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

There is a bigger world out there than what happens on VJ. There are bigots and their bigotry has a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

You are 100% correct but you forgot to mention:

Illegals and their illegal activities also have a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

[natty bumppo 297]

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

taps fingers........

clears throat .....

[no name 1]

QUOTE(Purple_Hibiscus @ Nov 13 2007, 11:50 AM) *

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

There is a bigger world out there than what happens on VJ. There are bigots and their bigotry has a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

You are 100% correct but you forgot to mention:

Illegals and their illegal activities also have a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

PWNED.

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

taps fingers........

clears throat .....

She now speaks for America, dontcha know?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

QUOTE(Purple_Hibiscus @ Nov 13 2007, 11:50 AM) *

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

There is a bigger world out there than what happens on VJ. There are bigots and their bigotry has a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

You are 100% correct but you forgot to mention:

Illegals and their illegal activities also have a significant effect on the lives of legitimate citizens who happen to look 'wrong'.

PWNED.

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

taps fingers........

clears throat .....

She now speaks for America, dontcha know?

Well going by this post in another thread - if you can claim that living in California is sufficient to be able to claim that illegal aliens can be recognised by sight, why can't a similar, general claim be made about bigots?

where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ??

Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.

[Ban Hammer 13,349]

Sadly Gary, your rational view is not shared by all, and there is a vocal minority who are very much in the 'if they have brown skin and speak Spanish there must be some 'illegal' skeleton in their closet'. You know this too because Filipinos are treated similarly by the self same bigots.

perhaps you can be so kind as to repost where someone said that..........

taps fingers........

clears throat .....

She now speaks for America, dontcha know?

you mean purple biscuit is........

Edited November 13, 2007 by charlesandnessa

[no name 1]

Well going by this post in another thread - if you can claim that living in California is sufficient to be able to claim that illegal aliens can be recognised by sight, why can't a similar, general claim be made about bigots?

where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ??

Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.

Don't twist my words.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well going by this post in another thread - if you can claim that living in California is sufficient to be able to claim that illegal aliens can be recognised by sight, why can't a similar, general claim be made about bigots?

where is the option for the second question for "not sure" ??

Marilyn - you live in SoCal, you see them every day, trust me.

Don't twist my words.

I don't think I was - but feel free to clarify the meaning I apparently misunderstood - why PH's general claim is invalid, while the one quoted above is not.