National Visa Center and USCIS

[anniee 0]

We had our interview in June and now Cairo is telling us they have forwarded our case back to NVCenter where it will be sent to USCIS for final review....What does this mean i thought Visas came out of Cairo...Has anyone else had this experience? Sent back to NVC and the to USCIS for another review????

[*julez* 124]

We had our interview in June and now Cairo is telling us they have forwarded our case back to NVCenter where it will be sent to USCIS for final review....What does this mean i thought Visas came out of Cairo...Has anyone else had this experience? Sent back to NVC and the to USCIS for another review????

Post your inquiry in the Middle East North Africa forum for help with this, if you haven't already. Sounds like they have denied your petition at the consulate level. Did you get a slip at the interview?

[BlueSurf 0]

We are in the same situation - two interviews at the Consulate, and then it was returned in April 2007 to the USCIS. Since then, we have received no report or notice (or anything)....

[*julez* 124]

We are in the same situation - two interviews at the Consulate, and then it was returned in April 2007 to the USCIS. Since then, we have received no report or notice (or anything)....

This si not good! Have you consulted with an attorney? I know of others in your situation who have simply started over with a second petition. You should really get some advice from an expreienced immigration attorney. Good luck!

[~~~water~~~ 0]

you need to get legal advice ... this is not good at alll... I hope everything works out my heart goes out to you and your husband

Edited November 14, 2007 by water is wide

[chiquita 0]

We had our interview in June and now Cairo is telling us they have forwarded our case back to NVCenter where it will be sent to USCIS for final review....What does this mean i thought Visas came out of Cairo...Has anyone else had this experience? Sent back to NVC and the to USCIS for another review????

it 'sounds' like you have been denied a visa.

yes the visa would be issued from the consulate in the country---your case--Cairo---where the fiance lives.

did Cairo send you an e mail with this info? final review---that is a joke my dear, there is no such thing. i have never heard this before! further review --yes---meaning the consulate is requesting the petition be revoked.

did your fiance receive a letter on the day of his interview? this is REQUIRED. the consulate is required to make a decision on the day of the interview as to whether they are going to issue a visa or not.

when a case goes back to USCIS it is because you have been denied a visa and DOS is requesting the petition be REVOKED.

the case goes to NVC first to the FRAUD unit where it is recorde into their system. then it is sent back to the service center where it was processed. used to be K 1 were sent a NOIR (notice of intent to revoke) letter but as of late they are no longer doing this. instead they allow the petition to expired thus relieving them of any action.

do you have the diplomatic pouch number that was used to return your case? if not, your reps can get that for you. i have provided more info below.

if i can help you please feel free to ask. we were denied a visa in March 05, fought it and my husband arrived here in Aug 06

chi

here is some valuable info pinned in the MENA forum under the thread 'returning petitions to the states via 221g'

221(g) is issued to beneficiary at conclusion of the interview stating the application and/or petition is being returned to the United States.

Petition is returned to the United States by the interviewing consulate for "further review" in what is called a diplomatic pouch.

Returned petition is received by the NVC. It is reviewed and entered into the fraud database by fraud management.

Returned petition is sent to the local service center where the petition was originally filed.

Local service center receives returned petition.

Local service center who processed the original petition sends a notice of receipt to the petitioner.

Local service center reviews the returned petition and consular officer notes on the case.

Local service center then sends either a NOID (Notice of Intent to Deny) or NOIR (Notice of Intent to Revoke) to the petitioner also asking for more proof of the relationship, many cases have specific consular objections to rebut.

Petitioner is given 30-60 days from date of NOIR/NOID (depending on the service center) to respond with additional evidence of the relationship or other specific evidence. The timeframe to respond will be provided in the letter.

Local service center receives evidence...if in the timeframe given (30-60 days) the case is reviewed and either reaffirmed or denied.

If the petition is denied the local service center sends the petitioner an 'official' denial letter. This can be be appealed if the denial letter states such.

If the petition is reaffirmed the local service center sends the petitioner an official notice of reaffirmation.

Local service center sends the reaffirmed petition AND its evidence provided in the rebuttal directly to the consulate along with a recommendation to issue a visa.

Consulate notifies the beneficiary of a new interview date.

Beneficiary has interview for the reaffirmed petition and the visa is either issued, or the case in placed in Administrative Processing which after cleared a visa is issued, or worst case scenario it is denied via 221(g) and returned again to the USCIS.

What can you do immediately when faced with this issue:

Immediately have the beneficiary send a scanned copy of the 221(g) issued.

Contact the consulate directly (immediately) and attempt to have the petition reviewed by the senior consular before it is returned.

If you are unable to get through to the consulate on the phone, contact them via email, and if you're mail has a "read verification" use it.

Contact your congressman/senator, get them involved immediately. You will need to sign a release form giving them permission to make an inquiry on your behalf.

Provide your congressman/senator with as much information as possible about your case, the interview, and the result.

If your congressman/senator is top notch, they will not just send an email or letter to the consulate, they will call on the phone and try to get the petition reviewed again before it is sent back.

If they are not successful, they can request the diplomatic pouch number the petition is being returned in. This number will allow you to track the petition until it is received by the local service center.

If you do not know who your congressman/senator is, use the following links to find out who represents your area:

US Congressional Representatives (By State)

US Senators (By State)

If the petition is returned, you are in for a wait. The diplomatic pouch the petition is returned in is sent from embassy to embassy picking up other returned petitions along the way. It could take up to 2 or 3 months for it to be received by fraud management at the NVC...then the NVC has the petition for about 1 month before sending it to the local service center where it was originally filed. One thing to also know is that returned petitions do not take priority...they are reviewed in the order they are received...that is after new petitions have been processed.

What you can do in the meantime while you wait:

Continue contacting the consulate to get an actual reason for the return...not the blanket "validity of relationship" response.

Stay in contact with your congressman/senator, they can assist you in getting the actual reason for denial.

Immediately file a Freedom Of Information Act request for the Department of State asking specifically for the consular notes on your returned petition: DOS FOIA

Immediately file for a Freedom of Information Act request for the USCIS asking for the same specific consular notes on your returned petition: USCIS FOIA

Continue to document your relationship, emails, letters, phone bills, visits to their country, etc.

Be ready for the opportunity to rebut the consular findings.

Contact a good immigration attorney...preferrably one who has experience in returned and denied petitions.

After a period of 6 months or longer has passed and you do not hear anything from the local service center regarding the receipt of your return, or the results of the review, you can contact the CIS Ombudsman. While the Ombudsman cannot make the USCIS reaffirm your returned petition, they can assist when processing times are outside of guidelines

USCIS OMBUDSMAN

Now, there are some differences between returned fiance petitions and marriage petitions. The K1 is especially at risk due to the expiration of the original approval, many returned K1s are not given the opportunity to rebut, they receive a notice telling them their K1 has expired and may file again at any time...this is why the FOIA is so important. You need to know the exact reason the petition was returned, just filing again is a huge risk if you do not know why the petition was returned in the first place.

While the K3 does have an expiration date also, they are treated more seriously. I have not known anyone who has had a returned K3 not being given the opportunity to rebut. Obviously the CR1 does not expire. Still, it is very important to file the FOIA, not every service center will tell you exactly what the consular office findings or objections to issuing the visa are. Some people are only asked to provide more evidence of their relationship.

[chiquita 0]

oh shoot!

good news!

i just noticed you files a K 3. that means YOU will get the NOIR and a chance to overcome the objections of the consular officer!!

what is the status of your I-130?? has it processed yet at NVC? just an FYI---it will be returned to the service center where it was processed---at least that is what NVC is supposed to do.

chi

We are in the same situation - two interviews at the Consulate, and then it was returned in April 2007 to the USCIS. Since then, we have received no report or notice (or anything)....

sorry to hear that your case was returned too.

read what i poated--it can help you too.

do you know WHY you were denied a visa?

chi