Really confussed by being given the run around?

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Hi, I know what the instructions say, but I have been told more than one thing. We have been trying to get a green card for some years and been given a true run around. We have been to Juarez 3 times. The second time they said we needed to come back with more things. We got everything the asked for and returned again. The last time they told us of a new deportation that we didn't know we had. My step-daughter was deported in 97, but because she was a minor, they were not supposed to hold that against her. I married her mom in 2001 and began a very long process. My stepdaughter was paroled in 2001 when her mom was hit by a truck and in the hospital for some months. She did not overstay. In 2003, her sister had to have a surgery and was also paroled and returned without overstaying. When someone at USCIS realized that they had been deported, they elected to effect the removal of the two girls, effective October 7, 2003.

They had given her mom a boarder crossing card, but the girls didn't have one.

They were both still under the age of 18 when that happened. We had no idea about this until we returned to Juarez and were told that they couldn't do anything with an I-212. I had a lawyer, and after the last time and realizing that he had been wrong about most of what he had told us, I quit using him. About 4 days before we left for Juarez, he mailed us the I-212s for the 97 deportation. They were only filled out half way, and he just told us to take them with us and the other questions we could answer there. When we got there, they said they couldn't do anything and told us to come back with another I-212.

I wrote to my senator for help because at the time, we had no idea where the 2003 deportation came from. After about a month, they wrote back telling us the above and that we needed to submit an I-212. They also said we could take it with us and submit it at the same time as our other applications. We have no idea what to do. So here is my question:

Where do I send the I-212? It says that we need to send it to the local office where the deportation hearings were held. That would be Del-Rio TX, but the USCIS's website doesn't say that the San Antonio field office accepts I-212s. But there are other field offices that accept them, El Paso for example. So I am very confused by this run around. I want to think that if Juarez could accept I-212s, they would have had us correct the information on the one we took with us so my thoughts are that because we are applying for an immigrant visa, we can't take it there. Any help? wacko.gif

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Anyone?? I am getting the idea that I am supposed to send it to the Texas service center, but I am still not sure. I am almost positive that I do not need to do like USCIS told the senator and take it with me. I think if they could have executed an I-212 then I think they would have corrected the one we took with us. According to the website, I should send it to the San Antonio field office, but the field's office doesn't say that it accepts I-212s. This stuff is such a mess. If they had told us of the second deportation back in 2005, we would not be in this mess. But then again if they had done their job, none of this would have happened.

A little girl follows her mom to the states because her mom is trying to be with her little girl's dad. The dad's family turns them in and tells the mom that she will be deported. The mom leaves because she just believes them. They move back to Mexico with out going to court. Then they give her mom a boarder crossing card. She never enters the US. Her mom is hit by a truck and is in the hospital for a few months. They parole the oldest daughter. She doesn't overstay. I marry her mom. I begin to try to get her mom over. They take her boarder crossing card when we tried to get a card for the girls saying that because her mom was married to me, none of them were allowed to have a card. Her mom goes to the middle of a bridge to sign papers in front of a lawyer so she can have sole custody of the girls. We guess that USCIS sees the paper and automaticly accuses her mom of entering the US without inspection. The youngest girl gets sick and is paroled for medical reasons. So guy decides to look at her file and realizes that they had an order of removal against them and after the girl is out of the hospital, he reports them as being deported. I take her mom to get a visa, she is banned for 10 years from the date that they assume she entered without inspection. We then decide to try for the girls first before fighting for her mom. We hire a lawyer. He sends us to Juarez without a look of stuff. We are turned down, but were not told about the second deportation just that we need an I-212, just that we had to get stuff like proof that the girls had not been married and so forth. We get everything, and pay the lawyer a good amount of money for the waivers and other applications. We get an appoinment for July of this year. about 3 days before we are to leave, he sends us the waivers half filed out and tells us to take them with us. We do. We get there and the officer tries everything he can, but tells us we need another waiver for a deportation that we have never heard about.

The oldest daughter is 21 now. We don't know how this is going to affect things. We have been dealing with the procces for many years. They had no right to decide to execute the order of removal on the oldest daughter when they did. It should have been done in 2000 when she was paroled instead of 2003 when her sister was paroled. I can relate to anyone who has felt oppressed and helpless against this system. If I am right about the consulate not being able to process an I-212 for an immigrant visa, then the USCIS told my senator very bad information. And if they could accept one, why did they not accept it when we were there?

Anyone who knows anything, please help.

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Okay, here goes....

The general rule with I-212 is that if it is filed WITH an I-601 you submit it at the consulate when you are denied. If it is ALONE you submit it to the district office where the deportation took place. You can find where this is on the uscis website.

When you submit it alone to a district office it usually takes a long time. Usually you don't receive a receipt number and the only way to obtain information about it is through an inquiry done by your senator. The advice I've been given is to really keep on top of it. If in fact all of this happened while she was a minor, your senator should be able to help you in getting a speedy approval, since it's not supposed to count. If one Senator cannot help you move to the next and also utilize your Rep from the House. (The Senator's clout really does make a difference. One of mine still hasn't received an answer after two and a half months and the other got his answer after two weeks.)

For waiver questions www.immigrate2us.com is usually the best place to go. They have a whole section dedicated to Juarez and Mexico.

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Here is a copy of what USCIS sent back to the senator's office:

"The record indicates that the girls expeditiously removed from the United states on 10/07/2003. The reason for the expedited removal at Del Rio, Texas was because the girls had aready been ordered removed in absentia by an Immigration Judge on March 30, 1998. According to the record, (name omitted on net, oldest girl) was paroled into the United States for unknown reason (s) on May 6, 2000. (name omitted on net, younger sister) was paroled into the United States for emergency medical reasons on October 13, 2003. It was during this time that the Del Rio Port of Entry became aware of their prior order of removal. As a result of the previous order of removal, and because they had not been admitted to the United States, but rather paroled, the Port Director elected to effect the removal of the girls, effective October 7, 2003. This then becomes the date of removal, regardless of the previous departures after the Immigration Judge's order of removal in absentia.

A review of teh notes from the United States Consulate in Cuidad Juarez indicates that they are expecting for the girls to submit a requisite Form !-212. Failure to submit ths form will result in the esay denial of their immigrant visa application, as they would remain inadmissible based on the removal. They must obtain the Attorney General's permission to reenter the United States before an immigrant visa is issued. The girls may apply for and file the I-212 at the Consulate in conjuction with their immigrant visa. Its is strongly recommended that future inquires concerning these two immigrant visa applicants be submitted directly to the Consulate, as they maintain exclusive jurisdiction over these proceedings, and this office has limited access to summary information only. Thank you.

CIS Assistant

Department of Homeland Security

USCIS/San Antonio Field Office"

This is an exact copy of what they said. If I could post it, I would scan it. The oldest girls birth day was May of 1986. That would have made her 17 in Oct of 2003. These people really need to be checked on. And something else that really bothers us is why did the port director not do his Job when the oldest was paroled in 2000. He effectively added three years to her time of inadmissibility.

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so does anyone else know anything? I am now almost 100 percent sure that we do not do as the USCIS says to and take it with us. I really do think if they could process I-212's for immigrant visas at Juarez, they would have done so. Has anyone else been told to take their I-212 to the embassy instead of mailing it in when applying for an immigrant visa?

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On Friday, I was in contact with the senator's office and the lady said that she thought that I was supposed to take it with me and read something off of the net, but she said that she was not 100% sure, so she told me to stop in at the immigration office at the boarder and ask them. They looked up an I-212 and the instructions and told me that according to those instructions I am supposed to mail it into San Antonio. I had figured that it was either San Antonio or the Texas Service Center. But the San Antonio's website doesn't say that they accept I-212s, but the Texas Service Center does. But this now shows that what INS had told my senator was in fact the worst thing I could have done because Juarez would have told me the same thing again. I think I am going to go to the Texas Bar about my lawyer who told me to take it with me, and to push my senator to get an expiated case because of all of this. The only reason I am posting this is because I figure that someone else is going to run into this problem.

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On Friday, I was in contact with the senator's office and the lady said that she thought that I was supposed to take it with me and read something off of the net, but she said that she was not 100% sure, so she told me to stop in at the immigration office at the boarder and ask them. They looked up an I-212 and the instructions and told me that according to those instructions I am supposed to mail it into San Antonio. I had figured that it was either San Antonio or the Texas Service Center. But the San Antonio's website doesn't say that they accept I-212s, but the Texas Service Center does. But this now shows that what INS had told my senator was in fact the worst thing I could have done because Juarez would have told me the same thing again. I think I am going to go to the Texas Bar about my lawyer who told me to take it with me, and to push my senator to get an expiated case because of all of this. The only reason I am posting this is because I figure that someone else is going to run into this problem.

The local office is where to send it. They do not give processing times for their I-212's I ran into the same problem, they did cash my check, but not so much as a receipt notice. Did you email Juarez?

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well, I've not tried to email them. They sent me a letter telling me to email them a PO Box so they could refund me the cost of the fingerprinting, so I emailed them, and that went back and forth and they acted like they had no idea who I was nor why I was emailing them. I was nice about it and every time I would explain that I had received a letter saying to just email them a post office box. The last time, they quite responding and instead just keep sending a letter that said I needed to call them that they would they no longer accepted emails or something, basically more run around., and that it cost a lot to call the embassy. Tomorrow I am going to call the Senator's office. I hope that they will help us to get an expiated case because of the everything they have already done. I have a friend that was an assistant port director and he said that there are just some cases like mine that is just jinxed. I'll post the letter I am sending to senator. Please do take the time to read the letter. It probabley has some errors in it because I haven't had a chance to send it to a friend of mine to proof read it. Thanks

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