Send chocolate kisses to USCIS to get there attention

[Bobalouie 0]

Can't agree here. These situations are not different. Service is service. If you pay more you get more. It's how our world works. People who have it have always paid to get more...

I have to say, I find your logic baffling... service is service? so everything just gets lumped together? can I say: education is education, and object to some kids getting special one-on-one attention for learning needs, or others, a ramp put in for a wheelchair? can I say: medicine is medicine, and you with your heart attack can wait while I get my hangnail looked at, because I got here first (or can pay more)? you HAVE to look at situations separately

so whatever you say, flying first class does NOT equal paying express Amazon delivery, and does NOT equal expedited visa processing; they're completely different

as for 'how the world works' (bolding mine, above) - personally, I think the way the world works is largely #######, and I will NEVER simply accept the status quo because 'that's how it is'

money may buy more, but should it? in this situation, no, it should not; it's not just about whether you can afford more ice cream than me... as mox said: this is about people's lives, and not material rubbish

You are quite correct here, but other people who can afford it, can get a better education than someone else. The University of Oklahoma or Kansas or Wisconsin does not cost as much as Duke, MIT or Stanford. You can have the grades to get into the latter, but they still cost more, and the quality of education is probably higher. Same goes for medicene. If you can afford to see the best heart surgeon in the country, then you see him. If not, you get treated by the most competent doctor you are comfortable with.

Also, even if all people paid for expedited processing, it is similar to paying for the same service anyway, because you would be guranteed to get 60-90 day service.

I hate to be the materialistic weasel of the bunch here, but contrary to popular belief, money is what drives the world. Those with money can get preferential treatment in almost all aspects of life. Those without, like myself, do the best with what we got. And if it is something that is important to my life, I will find a way to swing it. But we shouldnt hate on the people that can afford to do it. Is it fair? Probably not, but that is the way the world works in every country on the globe.

But I do agree, USCIS should be much better than they are today, and the neccessity of using expeditied service should be much less than it is now.

[Bobalouie 0]

And I hear what your saying about being trapped in economy class!! I have done the NA to Aussieland 4 times in economy and the NA to Eastern Europe 4 times, and have always wished, just once, I could go in first class! But it is just not worth the price increase to me. The same can be said for this process. If the price was reasonable, like $455 for the petition, and $500 for expeditied service, I would pay it, but if the expeditied service was $2000 that would be unreasonable and wouldnt pay it even if I could afford it.

[StillThePrettiest 3]

contrary to whose popular belief? of course money is largely what drives the world; I'm saying it shouldn't, and that I'm glad this isn't an extra factor and headache that people have to contend with when filing for K-1... which was the original issue under discussion (whether expedition should be available)

and yeah, people can pay for a better education, and healthcare; you're absolutely right - but that's not quite the substance of my point... I was challenging Kazan' Tiger's sweeping generalisation that 'service is service', and saying it was far too broad, and misleading, especially when then applied to all manner of disparate examples (like first class air travel, express delivery of a book, and expedited visa processing)

in any case, I would say that money DOES play a part even now in the visa processing, just less directly - some people have managed multiple trips to see their SOs, and others have even been able to take weeks or months off work to be with their fiancé/e - I would say THIS is closer to being an accurate comparison; they've been able to buy themselves some comfort, like a first class air traveller, but haven't materially impacted on anyone else in line, and skipped ahead of someone who can't afford the faster processing fees

I didn't see anyone 'hating on' anyone, either, just some fairly polite discussion

plus, I'd challenge your belief that money drives 'every country on the globe' - what about Bhutan's Gross National Happiness?

[Kazan' Tiger 1]

Never said I was happy about it either! I'm not happy to pay for many things in this country. Are we all perpetuating the high cost of gasoline by continuing to buy it? Do many of us really have a choice? We can debate these issues for a long time. I'm glad to be different. It's what attracted my fiancée to me and me to her. We take pride in being different. It's what makes the world go around!

you don't agree with any of it, but you're quite happy to perpetuate it and would buy into it given the chance? well, I guess we're different in more ways than one

[Bobalouie 0]

Never said I was happy about it either! I'm not happy to pay for many things in this country. Are we all perpetuating the high cost of gasoline by continuing to buy it? Do many of us really have a choice? We can debate these issues for a long time. I'm glad to be different. It's what attracted my fiancée to me and me to her. We take pride in being different. It's what makes the world go around!

you don't agree with any of it, but you're quite happy to perpetuate it and would buy into it given the chance? well, I guess we're different in more ways than one

The price of gasoline is not as high as you think. Right now our $1 buys less gasoline than it did a year ago. The dollars devaluation is part of high gasoline prices right now.

[StillThePrettiest 3]

IF there was a voluntary extra fee to get an expedite on the processing of your visa, and you voluntarily paid it, one can assume you're happy about it, or at least condoning it, which is what we were talking about; a fee you DO have a choice about

and the gasoline is a pretty bad example: as Bobalouie pointed out, it's not actually a very high price at all (come over here to the UK and we'll show you some high petrol prices ), and most of us DO have a choice about how much we drive our cars; even if public transport in a person's area is poor, most people can cut down on the amount they drive... we in the rich west have about as many choices as anyone has ever had in the history of the world

plus, if public transport is poor, what are we doing about it? while everyone buys cars and puts no pressure on local councils or federal government about improving the system, it will just stay the way it is

and now we've REALLY red-herringed, but it's still interesting

[weedebz 0]

and the gasoline is a pretty bad example: as Bobalouie pointed out, it's not actually a very high price at all (come over here to the UK and we'll show you some high petrol prices ),

sorry to diverge totally but TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!! filled my car up today and nearly fell over when I saw the price (£1.02 a litre). I've just got a wee mazda sporty number....not exactly a gas guzzler!!! I'd not be able to run the thing if I did!!!! Need a car...my wee village here in west scotland is not even on public transport maps!!!

Edited November 24, 2007 by weedebz

[virgillionaire 0]

and the gasoline is a pretty bad example: as Bobalouie pointed out, it's not actually a very high price at all (come over here to the UK and we'll show you some high petrol prices ),

sorry to diverge totally but TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!! filled my car up today and nearly fell over when I saw the price (£1.02 a litre). I've just got a wee mazda sporty number....not exactly a gas guzzler!!! I'd not be able to run the thing if I did!!!! Need a car...my wee village here in west scotland is not even on public transport maps!!!

Wow, that's like $8 a gallon, I think. But you know I understand like $6 of that is taxes? What's up with that?

[Jamie76 0]

and the gasoline is a pretty bad example: as Bobalouie pointed out, it's not actually a very high price at all (come over here to the UK and we'll show you some high petrol prices ),

sorry to diverge totally but TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!! filled my car up today and nearly fell over when I saw the price (£1.02 a litre). I've just got a wee mazda sporty number....not exactly a gas guzzler!!! I'd not be able to run the thing if I did!!!! Need a car...my wee village here in west scotland is not even on public transport maps!!!

Wow, that's like $8 a gallon, I think. But you know I understand like $6 of that is taxes? What's up with that?

Yes, I believe a lot of the taxes goes to fund public transportation there, along with other public services.

[virgillionaire 0]

and the gasoline is a pretty bad example: as Bobalouie pointed out, it's not actually a very high price at all (come over here to the UK and we'll show you some high petrol prices ),

sorry to diverge totally but TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!! filled my car up today and nearly fell over when I saw the price (£1.02 a litre). I've just got a wee mazda sporty number....not exactly a gas guzzler!!! I'd not be able to run the thing if I did!!!! Need a car...my wee village here in west scotland is not even on public transport maps!!!

Wow, that's like $8 a gallon, I think. But you know I understand like $6 of that is taxes? What's up with that?

Yes, I believe a lot of the taxes goes to fund public transportation there, along with other public services.

It works for pretty well there i guess, but it kind of invalidates the price comparison as it's self inflicted

[virgillionaire 0]

Can't agree here. These situations are not different. Service is service. If you pay more you get more. It's how our world works. People who have it have always paid to get more...

I have to say, I find your logic baffling... service is service? so everything just gets lumped together? can I say: education is education, and object to some kids getting special one-on-one attention for learning needs, or others, a ramp put in for a wheelchair? can I say: medicine is medicine, and you with your heart attack can wait while I get my hangnail looked at, because I got here first (or can pay more)? you HAVE to look at situations separately

so whatever you say, flying first class does NOT equal paying express Amazon delivery, and does NOT equal expedited visa processing; they're completely different

as for 'how the world works' (bolding mine, above) - personally, I think the way the world works is largely #######, and I will NEVER simply accept the status quo because 'that's how it is'

money may buy more, but should it? in this situation, no, it should not; it's not just about whether you can afford more ice cream than me... as mox said: this is about people's lives, and not material rubbish

You are quite correct here, but other people who can afford it, can get a better education than someone else. The University of Oklahoma or Kansas or Wisconsin does not cost as much as Duke, MIT or Stanford. You can have the grades to get into the latter, but they still cost more, and the quality of education is probably higher. Same goes for medicene. If you can afford to see the best heart surgeon in the country, then you see him. If not, you get treated by the most competent doctor you are comfortable with.

Also, even if all people paid for expedited processing, it is similar to paying for the same service anyway, because you would be guranteed to get 60-90 day service.

I hate to be the materialistic weasel of the bunch here, but contrary to popular belief, money is what drives the world. Those with money can get preferential treatment in almost all aspects of life. Those without, like myself, do the best with what we got. And if it is something that is important to my life, I will find a way to swing it. But we shouldnt hate on the people that can afford to do it. Is it fair? Probably not, but that is the way the world works in every country on the globe.

But I do agree, USCIS should be much better than they are today, and the neccessity of using expeditied service should be much less than it is now.

yes money buys better medical care and maybe a better education (more prestige anyway) but that doesn't make it a good thing or something to be made policy. Much of the progress society has made has been aimed at remedying that, i.e., creating public education, guaranteeing treatment in emergency rooms, public defenders.

No it's not a prefect remedy but it doesn't mean that is the way we want it.

Money is the root of all evil

[Bobalouie 0]

Can't agree here. These situations are not different. Service is service. If you pay more you get more. It's how our world works. People who have it have always paid to get more...

I have to say, I find your logic baffling... service is service? so everything just gets lumped together? can I say: education is education, and object to some kids getting special one-on-one attention for learning needs, or others, a ramp put in for a wheelchair? can I say: medicine is medicine, and you with your heart attack can wait while I get my hangnail looked at, because I got here first (or can pay more)? you HAVE to look at situations separately

so whatever you say, flying first class does NOT equal paying express Amazon delivery, and does NOT equal expedited visa processing; they're completely different

as for 'how the world works' (bolding mine, above) - personally, I think the way the world works is largely #######, and I will NEVER simply accept the status quo because 'that's how it is'

money may buy more, but should it? in this situation, no, it should not; it's not just about whether you can afford more ice cream than me... as mox said: this is about people's lives, and not material rubbish

You are quite correct here, but other people who can afford it, can get a better education than someone else. The University of Oklahoma or Kansas or Wisconsin does not cost as much as Duke, MIT or Stanford. You can have the grades to get into the latter, but they still cost more, and the quality of education is probably higher. Same goes for medicene. If you can afford to see the best heart surgeon in the country, then you see him. If not, you get treated by the most competent doctor you are comfortable with.

Also, even if all people paid for expedited processing, it is similar to paying for the same service anyway, because you would be guranteed to get 60-90 day service.

I hate to be the materialistic weasel of the bunch here, but contrary to popular belief, money is what drives the world. Those with money can get preferential treatment in almost all aspects of life. Those without, like myself, do the best with what we got. And if it is something that is important to my life, I will find a way to swing it. But we shouldnt hate on the people that can afford to do it. Is it fair? Probably not, but that is the way the world works in every country on the globe.

But I do agree, USCIS should be much better than they are today, and the neccessity of using expeditied service should be much less than it is now.

yes money buys better medical care and maybe a better education (more prestige anyway) but that doesn't make it a good thing or something to be made policy. Much of the progress society has made has been aimed at remedying that, i.e., creating public education, guaranteeing treatment in emergency rooms, public defenders.

No it's not a prefect remedy but it doesn't mean that is the way we want it.

Money is the root of all evil

Dewd, Money makes the world go round like my 20 inch rims

[StillThePrettiest 3]

Money is the root of all evil

this has got to be one of the most misquoted lines ever... it's actually 'THE LOVE OF money is the root of all evil'

small but very significant difference

[StillThePrettiest 3]

It works for pretty well there i guess, but it kind of invalidates the price comparison as it's self inflicted

how is it invalidated? it's still the price the average citizen is paying at the pump...

[weedebz 0]

and I can assure you......it doesn't pay for public transport. The UK public transport network is a joke (unreliable and expensive).