Interesting Read for the Moderators

[Fandango 1,439]

Pyscho babble BS! VJ has TONS of 'bullies".. I see them posting every day. They are not some figment of a person's imagination. We aren't taking about personalities that sync (or not) with any given member. Rather, bullies are defined by their consistant behavior as a poster -not individual interpretation of those posts by readers.

As far as 'being all adults here', that would require the exercise of normal, socially accepted behavior. Most do, some don't. Neither trolls nor Bullies would meet that definition in any venue - VJ included.

Regarding "If that person is iyo out of line...report that person and let admin deal with it" - well, there's the rub and the reason we have so much discord here: an unwillingness of the admin staff to moderate and call out the trolls and bullies. The result??? New members who are the natural future and life blood of VJ either quickly become silent readers and don't post or worse, simply choose to leave.

-Samby

You're smoking crack, right?

Are you REALLY so sure about that?

Let me tell you something.... you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

One of the moderators - Mags - temp. banned her own husband - me - for getting in someone's face. Does that sound like an unwillingness to call out trolls and bullies? The mods can't deal with it if you don't tell them. We have TWO moderators for this entire freaking board. How in the hell do you expect them to keep up with everything? I don't know about Lal, but Mags has a life outside of VJ, and doesn't sit here at the computer all day just waiting for some fun troll action to pop up.

Also, the mods are rather limited on what they can do. I know of a couple of people who shouldn't just have warnings and temp bans; they should be permanently IP banned due to their inability to interact with people in a non-combative, non-snarky way. The Mods can't do that, though. Too bad.

So, I suggest you just keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself when it comes to talking ####### about my wife and Lal. If you think you could do a better job, start by trying to read half of every day's new posts. Let me know how that works out for ya.

Bravo! I am so sick of everything being laid at the feet of the mods. They do a great job here.

No, I didn't want mods here, but the ones that are here now are the perfect people for the job and all they do is get sh!t on.

[Welshcookie 17]

The mods here do a good job and it is a thankless one, I was very surprised actually when mods were introduced that they were made 'public', the job can be done without names attached to the job.

I have always liked and respected Mags and Lal, I think it is a shame that they have become targeted and criticised for things that are beyond their control.

I was tempted a few weeks back to post a poll esp for the mods actually, asking if the enjoyment of participating in VJ has changed since taking on the roll...

[Fandango 1,439]

The mods here do a good job and it is a thankless one, I was very surprised actually when mods were introduced that they were made 'public', the job can be done without names attached to the job.

I have always liked and respected Mags and Lal, I think it is a shame that they have become targeted and criticised for things that are beyond their control.

I was tempted a few weeks back to post a poll esp for the mods actually, asking if the enjoyment of participating in VJ has changed since taking on the roll...

Unfortunately, I would say it absolutely has to dimish enjoyment since taking the roles of mods.....

[Welshcookie 17]

hehe....I just spotted my bad spelling....of course mods don't roll...duh

[LoriLawless 0]

This is ridiculous. While we're at it, why don't we bring up ######-stirrers?

Happens on EVERY forum, and is discussed on every forum.

You have the power to change your own environment. Report something to the mods or take something to PM if you feel you need to resolve something.

Are we in kindergarten or something?

[Mags 112]

The mods here do a good job and it is a thankless one, I was very surprised actually when mods were introduced that they were made 'public', the job can be done without names attached to the job.

I have always liked and respected Mags and Lal, I think it is a shame that they have become targeted and criticised for things that are beyond their control.

I was tempted a few weeks back to post a poll esp for the mods actually, asking if the enjoyment of participating in VJ has changed since taking on the roll...

I can't speak for LaL, but I don't think it has diminished it for me very much. I still interact on the boards the same way I used to do and I try to keep the mod personality separate from the member side; although when it comes to chocolate pudding it's hard to tell. Whether other members here can separate mod-me from member-me is their problem I guess.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Mags

[Fandango 1,439]

hehe....I just spotted my bad spelling....of course mods don't roll...duh

hahaha, I didn't even notice it either!

This is ridiculous. While we're at it, why don't we bring up ######-stirrers?

Happens on EVERY forum, and is discussed on every forum.

You have the power to change your own environment. Report something to the mods or take something to PM if you feel you need to resolve something.

Are we in kindergarten or something?

It's official...I Lori

And Mags....glad to hear it's not diminished your enjoyment!

Gotta go show prop, peeps...be good!

[Jenn! 918]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

P.S. And no, I'm not in kindergarten. Those are exactly the kind of comments that are an attempt to bully people into clamming up, IMO.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Jenn!

[Mags 112]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

We do use it, plus it gives us a very good idea of who is well received on the site and who isn't. So, keep on using it!

[LoriLawless 0]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

P.S. And no, I'm not in kindergarten. Those are exactly the kind of comments that are an attempt to bully people into clamming up, IMO.

I'm in NO way a bully by any means. Just saying what I think. It's funny how threads like this have the most views, and seem to go on forever.

Is it so hard really? I mean, if you see a topic and you want to say something, say it. Be prepared that not everyone is going to agree with you, and have thick enough skin to take what you give.

Case in point, what you said to me. I didn't single anyone out, and said "we". Is this your attempt to clam me up? Curious.

I'm not offended by the way, you have a right to your opinion as do I.

Lisa -

[SteveLaura 0]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

We do use it, plus it gives us a very good idea of who is well received on the site and who isn't. So, keep on using it!

When my report card comes back this term, can I get some gold stars please? :star: My Mum says she'll take me to McDonald's if I've been good enough.

[Welshcookie 17]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

We do use it, plus it gives us a very good idea of who is well received on the site and who isn't. So, keep on using it!

I mod on a few boards, on one in particular there is a karma system in place....it's amazing how quickly people watch what they say when those little boxes and hearts start disappearing :lol:

[Jenn! 918]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

P.S. And no, I'm not in kindergarten. Those are exactly the kind of comments that are an attempt to bully people into clamming up, IMO.

I'm in NO way a bully by any means. Just saying what I think. It's funny how threads like this have the most views, and seem to go on forever.

Is it so hard really? I mean, if you see a topic and you want to say something, say it. Be prepared that not everyone is going to agree with you, and have thick enough skin to take what you give.

Case in point, what you said to me. I didn't single anyone out, and said "we". Is this your attempt to clam me up? Curious.

I'm not offended by the way, you have a right to your opinion as do I.

Lisa -

It's not my attempt to clam you up. That's usually how it works though - a bully says something antagonizing, and when someone calls them on it, the response is something like, "oh well, aren't you just antagonizing me then? so you're no better!" Saying "What? Are we in kindergarten?" is going to make a lot of people think twice before posting their opinion because they know that they're gonna get jumped on and called childish, etc. Shouldn't we able to discuss an issue without pre-emptive insults? Happens ALL the time in the political threads as well - insulting any people that hold a certain opinion before that opinion is even put forth. Who wants to jump in there when they've already been insulted before they've even opened their mouths?

BTW, I don't think that you're a bully. I was using that comment as an example of what creates a hostile atmosphere.

You're right, we're all big boys and girls, and we should all be able to handle ourselves on an internet forum. I just don't see what's so difficult about saying, "well, it seems that my comments are often interpreted as belittling an offensive, maybe that's something I could work on." Instead it seems to be a source of pride for people to tell it how it is, now matter how many people they tick off.

ETA: It seems that some always want the onus to be on the reader, and never on the poster. It should go both ways.

Edited November 8, 2007 by Jenn!

[~Jackie~ 30]

Hug a Mod Today-----------that's my bumper sticker.

Jackie

[LoriLawless 0]

Just curious...is anything ever done with the data from the praise/report member feature?

I usually just do a "report member" every two weeks to those people who I consider to be bullies and who I think detract from the site.

P.S. And no, I'm not in kindergarten. Those are exactly the kind of comments that are an attempt to bully people into clamming up, IMO.

I'm in NO way a bully by any means. Just saying what I think. It's funny how threads like this have the most views, and seem to go on forever.

Is it so hard really? I mean, if you see a topic and you want to say something, say it. Be prepared that not everyone is going to agree with you, and have thick enough skin to take what you give.

Case in point, what you said to me. I didn't single anyone out, and said "we". Is this your attempt to clam me up? Curious.

I'm not offended by the way, you have a right to your opinion as do I.

Lisa -

It's not my attempt to clam you up. That's usually how it works though - a bully says something antagonizing, and when someone calls them on it, the response is something like, "oh well, aren't you just antagonizing me then? so you're no better!" Saying "What? Are we in kindergarten?" is going to make a lot of people think twice before posting their opinion because they know that they're gonna get jumped on and called childish, etc. Shouldn't we able to discuss an issue without pre-emptive insults? Happens ALL the time in the political threads as well - insulting any people that hold a certain opinion before that opinion is even put forth. Who wants to jump in there when they've already been insulted before they've even opened their mouths?

BTW, I don't think that you're a bully. I was using that comment as an example of what creates a hostile atmosphere.

You're right, we're all big boys and girls, and we should all be able to handle ourselves on an internet forum. I just don't see what's so difficult about saying, "well, it seems that my comments are often interpreted as belittling an offensive, maybe that's something I could work on." Instead it seems to be a source of pride for people to tell it how it is, now matter how many people they tick off.

I understand what you're saying, I do. It's a shame that people feel they are being antagonized. I never said I was better than anyone else, we're just different. If someone feels they have to think twice before posting, then perhaps they should move on to another topic? Like I said before, if you DO decide to post, be prepared to have thick enough skin to hear the responses.

I haven't really seen a "hostile atmosphere" around here really. Opinions and people that really don't like each other, yes. That's going to happen ya know?

I agree that people "should" question themselves if something keeps coming up like that. But it's not for *me* to dictate to them. I know that if *I* repeatedly seemed to offend people, I would rethink my actions, after all, that's the only thing I'm accountable for.

To each his/her own is what I'm trying to say here. I like the diversity of this place, but that's me.