U.S. citizen arrested under state's new anti-illegal immigrant law, Hispanic advocate says

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

Dispensing with the condescension I'm merely wondering who you're pointing the finger at here.

Following this and the other thread - I'm not aware of anyone specifically "promoting and pushing for illegals". I'm wondering if this rationale is along the lines of the one used to suggest that people who disagree with the government are "unamerican".

Perhaps you're referring to a totally different set of threads and comments - but to me it looks like a bit of a white elephant hunt...

[Fandango 1,439]

I tried to edit my message, but ran out of time.

Just because I think illegal immigrants are human beings does not mean that I condone their actions. I don't think that killing them or tying them up and strewing them across the border as an example to other would-be immigrants is a viable solution to the problem. Yes, I think they should go home. And I think many of them WILL go home if we make the financial rewards of being here less appealing. Increase oversight of employers. Create a worker identification system that actually works, instead of using the social security system where you can buy the number of someone who is dead and use it to work with. Dry up the underground economies. Not everyone will go home if this is done, but some will, and less people will want to come. It's a place to start, and is a more viable option than attempting to find every single one and send them home.

so i can list you as being against mexico's methods then, right?

I did misread GEG's post. However, people on this forum have applauded these efforts in the past.

I call bullsh!t. Find the posts to back that up.

[natty bumppo 289]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

Dispensing with the condescension I'm merely wondering who you're pointing the finger at here.

Following this and the other thread - I'm not aware of anyone specifically "promoting and pushing for illegals". I'm wondering if this rationale is along the lines of the one used to suggest that people who disagree with the government are "unamerican".

Perhaps you're referring to a totally different set of threads and comments - but to me it looks like a bit of a white elephant hunt...

I'm not pointing fingers ... as the expression goes ... one finger points forward, the others point back. I'm not going there.

If people promote illegals ... meaning people that make it difficult for us to bring our spouses here (we are VJ ... yes?) ... it begs the question ... why are these illegal supporters posting on VJ ???Why are they promoting illegal immigration on a legal immigration forum ?? The answer is simple and obvious.

We all want to have our SO here sooner. Unfortuntely we need to pay for the sins of others ... the illegals and their supporters. Welcome to the real world.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

Dispensing with the condescension I'm merely wondering who you're pointing the finger at here.

Following this and the other thread - I'm not aware of anyone specifically "promoting and pushing for illegals". I'm wondering if this rationale is along the lines of the one used to suggest that people who disagree with the government are "unamerican".

Perhaps you're referring to a totally different set of threads and comments - but to me it looks like a bit of a white elephant hunt...

I'm not pointing fingers ... as the expression goes ... one finger points forward, the others point back. I'm not going there.

If people promote illegals ... meaning people that make it difficult for us to bring our spouses here (we are VJ ... yes?) ... it begs the question ... why are these illegal supporters posting on VJ ???Why are they promoting illegal immigration on a legal immigration forum ?? The answer is simple and obvious.

We all want to have our SO here sooner. Unfortuntely we need to pay for the sins of others ... the illegals and their supporters. Welcome to the real world.

Which again begs the question - who do you specifically do you see here promoting or otherwise supporting illegal immigrants to make such a statement justifiable?

I'm not trying to be a ####### about this - but I'm really curious as to how it is (at least on the other thread) a person can lay out their position in explicit terms, say "I don't support illegal immigration, or amnesty but that doesn't mean I endorse this law", and still be written off as completely as someone who went out and joined a street march with a bunch of undocumented workers and burned the American flag.

As I said - it reminds me a lot of those threads about US foreign policy and the War on Terror - where not supporting exactly what the President is doing or says automatically seems to automarically denote a person to be a terrorist sympathiser or traitor.

[natty bumppo 289]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

Dispensing with the condescension I'm merely wondering who you're pointing the finger at here.

Following this and the other thread - I'm not aware of anyone specifically "promoting and pushing for illegals". I'm wondering if this rationale is along the lines of the one used to suggest that people who disagree with the government are "unamerican".

Perhaps you're referring to a totally different set of threads and comments - but to me it looks like a bit of a white elephant hunt...

I'm not pointing fingers ... as the expression goes ... one finger points forward, the others point back. I'm not going there.

If people promote illegals ... meaning people that make it difficult for us to bring our spouses here (we are VJ ... yes?) ... it begs the question ... why are these illegal supporters posting on VJ ???Why are they promoting illegal immigration on a legal immigration forum ?? The answer is simple and obvious.

We all want to have our SO here sooner. Unfortuntely we need to pay for the sins of others ... the illegals and their supporters. Welcome to the real world.

Which again begs the question - who do you specifically do you see here promoting or otherwise supporting illegal immigrants to make such a statement justifiable?

I'm not trying to be a ####### about this - but I'm really curious as to how it is (at least on the other thread) a person can lay out their position in explicit terms, say "I don't support illegal immigration, or amnesty but that doesn't mean I endorse this law", and still be written off as completely as someone who went out and joined a street march with a bunch of undocumented workers and burned the American flag.

As I said - it reminds me a lot of those threads about US foreign policy and the War on Terror - where not supporting exactly what the President is doing or says automatically seems to automarically denote a person to be a terrorist sympathiser or traitor.

I mentioned already ... I will not name names … read for yourself. Sorry … I’m finished with this question … period … end of sentence.

Is there a question about this statement because you not understand? Maybe I should provide this statement in another language … I will be happy to ask Nessa or my wife to translate into Portuguese. (another language)..

Examples and links with State DL requirements were provided today and ignored. State agencies communicate with each other … (Hint: ever get a speeding ticket in a State different from your home State … and have it appear on your insurance?). I think you may know someone who experienced this. For the most part ... the State DL provides proof of legal status ... or a Foreign Passport w/ Foreign DL and I-94 does the rest. If someone adjusting doesn't carry whatever documents that prove legal status with them ... they are a total fool.

This is not about burning the American Flag or the President or US Foreign Policy or Terrorists or Traitors or Cause de Jour. It is about illegals … lawbreakers … and punishment for those who knowingly harbor them. Please leave it with this topic.

[peejay 327]

You forgot to add the ACLU, the government of Mexico, and the illegal aliens themselves to your stellar list. LoL

LOL...and among that crowd it was worth mentioning the Republican National Committee Memorandum (it's highlighted in red above).

Here's my message to the RNC and their head illegal alien cheerleader Mel Martinez:

Ditto for Hillary, Obama, and that bunch that ####### all over themselves catering to illegal alien cheerleading squad too.

With as many problems as there are in this country it is ridiculous that are politicians spend so much time crapping all over themselves pandering to illegal aliens instead of seeing after the best interests of their constituents...the American people. Another 20 million illegal aliens dropping in on America is not in our best interests and they aren't doing a damned thing to address the issue except repeating the same lame mistakes of 1986 & 1996.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Does it not occur to you that KILLING people just might be a little bit overboard???? I know you're not even saying that tongue in cheek. You really think that attempting to cross a border without permission should be punishable by death, without a trial? Are you one of those people who has a shotgun next to the door ready to shoot anyone who steps onto your lawn without permission?

Shooting people is what Mexico does. They are serious about their border's security.

I don't break the immigration laws ... so I have nothing to fear ... do you ?

Yes. I fear being the victim of a crime committed by someone who's committed a string of crimes before this, except that everyone who was a victim or witness before me happened to be an illegal immigrant, so someone who otherwise would have been locked up is out on the streets hurting more people.

I can't believe people think that making crime victims and witnesses too afraid to come forward is a good thing. If you get robbed or beaten or raped and they never catch the guy because there are no witnesses willing to cooperate with the investigation, you'll have only yourself to blame.

Alot of the victims of crimes by illegals are legals, and there is a two-tier justice system that frees them for crimes that Americans would not be freed for because punishment would involve deportation. They aren't willing to go thru the trouble it takes to deport them, so they let them back out on the streets to offend again. We see that in Colorado every day.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You forgot to add the ACLU, the government of Mexico, and the illegal aliens themselves to your stellar list. LoL

LOL...and among that crowd it was worth mentioning the Republican National Committee Memorandum (it's highlighted in red above).

Here's my message to the RNC and their head illegal alien cheerleader Mel Martinez:

Ditto for Hillary, Obama, and that bunch that ####### all over themselves catering to illegal alien cheerleading squad too.

With as many problems as there are in this country it is ridiculous that are politicians spend so much time crapping all over themselves pandering to illegal aliens instead of seeing after the best interests of their constituents...the American people. Another 20 million illegal aliens dropping in on America is not in our best interests and they aren't doing a damned thing to address the issue except repeating the same lame mistakes of 1986 & 1996.

But wait a minute. Back up a little. You claimed the American people spoke and that's why the Immigration Reform Bill didn't pass. Yet, if you look at that Republican National Commitee Memorandum, it basically said, 'let's give the American people what they want.'

Like I said, solutions have been offered, on a federal level, but you and many others aren't satisfied with those solutions. Then you try to paint the issue as polemic for anyone who doesn't line up behind a very rigid approach to the problem. Some here have even claimed it to be a liberal vs. conservative issue.

At some point, regardless of anyone's opinion on the issue of immigration in this country (and yes that includes legal immigration, particularly since nearly half of those who are here undocumented, have overstayed their visas), there needs to be a compromised solution on a federal level. The states will not be able to solve a national issue by themselves.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The Republican National Committee is not a conservative organization. GWB is a Republican, many pandering politicians are Republicans. Means nothing for them to say what the people want is amnesty; they are liars of the first order.

BTW, Steven, La Raza would kick your gringo butt out of the US if they had a choice. "The Race" doesn't include people like you.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[Dan J 277]

You forgot to add the ACLU, the government of Mexico, and the illegal aliens themselves to your stellar list. LoL

LOL...and among that crowd it was worth mentioning the Republican National Committee Memorandum (it's highlighted in red above).

Here's my message to the RNC and their head illegal alien cheerleader Mel Martinez:

Ditto for Hillary, Obama, and that bunch that ####### all over themselves catering to illegal alien cheerleading squad too.

With as many problems as there are in this country it is ridiculous that are politicians spend so much time crapping all over themselves pandering to illegal aliens instead of seeing after the best interests of their constituents...the American people. Another 20 million illegal aliens dropping in on America is not in our best interests and they aren't doing a damned thing to address the issue except repeating the same lame mistakes of 1986 & 1996.

But wait a minute. Back up a little. You claimed the American people spoke and that's why the Immigration Reform Bill didn't pass. Yet, if you look at that Republican National Commitee Memorandum, it basically said, 'let's give the American people what they want.'

Like I said, solutions have been offered, on a federal level, but you and many others aren't satisfied with those solutions. Then you try to paint the issue as polemic for anyone who doesn't line up behind a very rigid approach to the problem. Some here have even claimed it to be a liberal vs. conservative issue.

At some point, regardless of anyone's opinion on the issue of immigration in this country (and yes that includes legal immigration, particularly since nearly half of those who are here undocumented, have overstayed their visas), there needs to be a compromised solution on a federal level. The states will not be able to solve a national issue by themselves.

Immigration and enforcement of immigration is a responsibility of the Federal government. Expecting states and/or local governments to handle it will only create a mess of conflicting laws. Not to mention, be very inefficient funding wise.

But then taking into account human nature, there are only certain things that will really work. The rest are just money pits with the illusion that its actually doing some good.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The Republican National Committee is not a conservative organization. GWB is a Republican, many pandering politicians are Republicans. Means nothing for them to say what the people want is amnesty; they are liars of the first order.

BTW, Steven, La Raza would kick your gringo butt out of the US if they had a choice. "The Race" doesn't include people like you.

LOL...I think point has been well made that the issue of immigration reform is not a liberal vs. conservative one...except for those on the Far Right who think anything left of their position is too liberal for their taste.

[natty bumppo 289]

Does it not occur to you that KILLING people just might be a little bit overboard???? I know you're not even saying that tongue in cheek. You really think that attempting to cross a border without permission should be punishable by death, without a trial? Are you one of those people who has a shotgun next to the door ready to shoot anyone who steps onto your lawn without permission?

Shooting people is what Mexico does. They are serious about their border's security.

I don't break the immigration laws ... so I have nothing to fear ... do you ?

Yes. I fear being the victim of a crime committed by someone who's committed a string of crimes before this, except that everyone who was a victim or witness before me happened to be an illegal immigrant, so someone who otherwise would have been locked up is out on the streets hurting more people.

I can't believe people think that making crime victims and witnesses too afraid to come forward is a good thing. If you get robbed or beaten or raped and they never catch the guy because there are no witnesses willing to cooperate with the investigation, you'll have only yourself to blame.

Alot of the victims of crimes by illegals are legals, and there is a two-tier justice system that frees them for crimes that Americans would not be freed for because punishment would involve deportation. They aren't willing to go thru the trouble it takes to deport them, so they let them back out on the streets to offend again. We see that in Colorado every day.

*******

GEG

Good answer to one of my posts that had been twisted out of context.

And yes ... I agree ... legals can and do suffer because of illegals.

My post dealt with following immigration laws ... in the US and abroad ... providing documentation when required ... and by doing so don't worry about deportation because I ... and my wife are legal.

People shout 'racial profiling' because that's exactly what happens. Perfectly legal US citizens who happen to look 'wrong' are questioned disproportionately. If you were constantly required to prove your legal status, you might think twice about making such a statements.

when traveling abroad I constantly need to show passport and legal status in the country. Even if it is to rent a car or check into a hotel. No big deal ... it happens and I just am prepared for it and be polite.

Since I moved to Houston I have been asked for SS card or proof of legal status lots of times. It's simple to do ... now that I have a TX DL ... and have met the requirements ... it's no big deal.

I don't break the immigration laws ... so I have nothing to fear ... do you ?

[Ban Hammer 13,135]

The Republican National Committee is not a conservative organization. GWB is a Republican, many pandering politicians are Republicans. Means nothing for them to say what the people want is amnesty; they are liars of the first order.

BTW, Steven, La Raza would kick your gringo butt out of the US if they had a choice. "The Race" doesn't include people like you.

LOL...I think point has been well made that the issue of immigration reform is not a liberal vs. conservative one...except for those on the Far Right who think anything left of their position is too liberal for their taste.

and the inverse, those on the far left who think anything right of their position is too conservative for their taste.

[pedroh 21]

Maybe the USA should use the Mexico approach to invaders ... here's my $50 for enforcement policy (ammunition) !!!

This is Mexico standards .. yes ???

It will send a message ... don't come here ...

It will also mean my source of cheap labor will dry up. I had some work done on the house this weekend at 25% the cost of a licensed and insured American quote. So with all due respect, go fukc yourself, my self interest comes before the safety and security and sovereignty of this great nation.

So you are part of the problem with getting my wife here ...

I hope your repairs require warranty ... reap what you sow .. .and pass the ammunition !!!!

THe BS and red tape USCIS does to us, has little to do with illegal immigration.. one thing is the illegals crossing hte borders and stuff, they are illegals, they don't apply for family visas. So if you want to blame someone, blame the immigrants and usc's that commit marriage fraud..

if a SC takes 10 months to process their ######, I don't think it's the illegals fault, unless it's them who are runnig the sc's

Edited November 6, 2007 by pedroh

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

Dispensing with the condescension I'm merely wondering who you're pointing the finger at here.

Following this and the other thread - I'm not aware of anyone specifically "promoting and pushing for illegals". I'm wondering if this rationale is along the lines of the one used to suggest that people who disagree with the government are "unamerican".

Perhaps you're referring to a totally different set of threads and comments - but to me it looks like a bit of a white elephant hunt...

I'm not pointing fingers ... as the expression goes ... one finger points forward, the others point back. I'm not going there.

If people promote illegals ... meaning people that make it difficult for us to bring our spouses here (we are VJ ... yes?) ... it begs the question ... why are these illegal supporters posting on VJ ???Why are they promoting illegal immigration on a legal immigration forum ?? The answer is simple and obvious.

We all want to have our SO here sooner. Unfortuntely we need to pay for the sins of others ... the illegals and their supporters. Welcome to the real world.

Which again begs the question - who do you specifically do you see here promoting or otherwise supporting illegal immigrants to make such a statement justifiable?

I'm not trying to be a ####### about this - but I'm really curious as to how it is (at least on the other thread) a person can lay out their position in explicit terms, say "I don't support illegal immigration, or amnesty but that doesn't mean I endorse this law", and still be written off as completely as someone who went out and joined a street march with a bunch of undocumented workers and burned the American flag.

As I said - it reminds me a lot of those threads about US foreign policy and the War on Terror - where not supporting exactly what the President is doing or says automatically seems to automarically denote a person to be a terrorist sympathiser or traitor.

I mentioned already ... I will not name names … read for yourself. Sorry … I’m finished with this question … period … end of sentence.

Is there a question about this statement because you not understand? Maybe I should provide this statement in another language … I will be happy to ask Nessa or my wife to translate into Portuguese. (another language)..

Examples and links with State DL requirements were provided today and ignored. State agencies communicate with each other … (Hint: ever get a speeding ticket in a State different from your home State … and have it appear on your insurance?). I think you may know someone who experienced this. For the most part ... the State DL provides proof of legal status ... or a Foreign Passport w/ Foreign DL and I-94 does the rest. If someone adjusting doesn't carry whatever documents that prove legal status with them ... they are a total fool.

This is not about burning the American Flag or the President or US Foreign Policy or Terrorists or Traitors or Cause de Jour. It is about illegals … lawbreakers … and punishment for those who knowingly harbor them. Please leave it with this topic.

I was happy to. You were the one who suggested that there are people posting in this and the other thread active support for illegal immigrants and promoting their interests. So again doing away with the condescension I read the threads (both of them) and I didn't read anything of the kind that could be interpreted as overt support. So either I'm missing something, or you're reading a lot into people's posts that simply isn't there based merely on what you want to believe.

That's my take - I'm sure I'm wrong (not that you merely saying would prove it of course).