U.S. citizen arrested under state's new anti-illegal immigrant law, Hispanic advocate says

[Leney 0]

People shout 'racial profiling' because that's exactly what happens. Perfectly legal US citizens who happen to look 'wrong' are questioned disproportionately. If you were constantly required to prove your legal status, you might think twice about making such a statements.

My husband is legally obligated to carry his Green Card with him every time he leaves the house in case someone questions his immigration status - he has no problem with it. I have to show my passport when I enter other countries and when I return home to the states, I have no problem with that...Sorry failing to see how making people prove their legal status is any sort of an inconvenience.

I honestly didn't give two shakes and a ###### about illegal immigrants before I had to go through this process with my husband and step son legally. Now I truly abhor illegal immigrants, everything they do, and all that they stand for. If you aren't doing something illegal, you don't have anything to worry about.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Leney

[natty bumppo 297]

People shout 'racial profiling' because that's exactly what happens. Perfectly legal US citizens who happen to look 'wrong' are questioned disproportionately. If you were constantly required to prove your legal status, you might think twice about making such a statements.

My husband is legally obligated to carry his Green Card with him every time he leaves the house in case someone questions his immigration status - he has no problem with it. I have to show my passport when I enter other countries and when I return home to the states, I have no problem with that...Sorry failing to see how making people prove their legal status is any sort of an inconvenience.

I honestly didn't give two shakes and a ###### about illegal immigrants before I had to go through this process with my husband and step son legally. Now I truly abhor illegal immigrants, everything they do, and all that they stand for. If you aren't doing something illegal, you don't have anything to worry about.

Honesty and responsibility ... cool !!!

[MissStacey 1]

People shout 'racial profiling' because that's exactly what happens. Perfectly legal US citizens who happen to look 'wrong' are questioned disproportionately. If you were constantly required to prove your legal status, you might think twice about making such a statements.

My husband is legally obligated to carry his Green Card with him every time he leaves the house in case someone questions his immigration status - he has no problem with it. I have to show my passport when I enter other countries and when I return home to the states, I have no problem with that...Sorry failing to see how making people prove their legal status is any sort of an inconvenience.

I honestly didn't give two shakes and a ###### about illegal immigrants before I had to go through this process with my husband and step son legally. Now I truly abhor illegal immigrants, everything they do, and all that they stand for. If you aren't doing something illegal, you don't have anything to worry about.

I totally agree. Going through the immigration process had hardened me. My time in Canada not even being allowed to cross the border to visit my husband changed my view entirely.

Before, I used to walk through the neighborhood here and see all the illegals working on rebuilding New Orleans. I used to have respect for them- they were here when not many others were and they were working to rebuild the city. I have also been to the Country that most of these illegals came from- I have seen the poverty and the extreme conditions they face and I know it isn't pleasant. The fact is- their Country and their Government need to make some serious changes to make their lives better.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Stacey33

[peejay 327]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

LOL...The American people didn't vote it down...it would have passed by Congress had cloture not been invoked, essentially killing any debate. Let's steer clear of the rhetoric and actually talk about the facts.

The reason closure wasn't envoked was because the American people bombarded their US senators in opposition to another mass blanket illegal alien amnesty and more weak laws that never would have been enforced. The opposition to this so called reform was overwhelming.

There was immigration reform in 1986 and 1996. Lots of amnesty and no enforcement. And millions of illegal aliens later the American people have no desire for a third repeat of these jokes.

Enforce the law and return credibility to our government.

[natty bumppo 297]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

LOL...The American people didn't vote it down...it would have passed by Congress had cloture not been invoked, essentially killing any debate. Let's steer clear of the rhetoric and actually talk about the facts.

The reason closure wasn't envoked was because the American people bombarded their US senators in opposition to another mass blanket illegal alien amnesty and more weak laws that never would have been enforced. The opposition to this so called reform was overwhelming.

There was immigration reform in 1986 and 1996. Lots of amnesty and no enforcement. And millions of illegal aliens later the American people have no desire for a third repeat of these jokes.

Enforce the law and return credibility to our government.

It had broad support....

In favor of the legislation, the National Immigration Forum stated

Today, the U.S. Senate achieved a historic bipartisan breakthrough in the Senate in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. In stark contrast to the unworkable and punitive House bill enacted last December, the Senate bill has the right architecture and the right elements for comprehensive immigration reform. The bill would legalize an estimated 8 to 8.5 million undocumented immigrants and their families over the next 6 to 8 years...[1]

The National Council of La Raza , the nation's largest Hispanic American civil rights organization, also stated that

We have deep concerns about some of the provisions in this bill, but in the end the Senate has voted today to put millions of immigrants on a path to U.S. citizenship, and to enact the DREAM Act and AgJOBS compromise. This is a major step forward in a debate that is vital to our community and to the nation.[2]

Manhattan Institute For Policy Research

An overwhelming majority of registered, likely Republican voters support a broad approach to immigration reform that includes providing legal status to immigrants in the country illegally, even while many of them also consider this approach "amnesty." Republican voters also are more likely to support candidates who support immigration reform that combines border and workplace enforcement with a multi-step path to legalization for undocumented immigrants who learn English, pay fines, and taxes. Significantly, an overwhelming majority feel that it is very important for the Congress to solve the problem of illegal immigration this year. [3]

Republican National Committee MEMORANDUM

Public polls show that Americans want the government to solve the immigration problem. The public strongly supports a comprehensive approach. Providing a way for illegal immigrants already here to obtain legal status. Proposals to allow illegal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years and meet other requirements (pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line) to apply for legal status garner wide support.Close to 80% support such a proposal in the CNN poll (5/16-5/17) and 77% in the CBS News poll (5/16-5/17), including 76% of Republicans. And according to the NBC News/WSJ poll (4/21-4/24), more than two-thirds (68%) support the Hagel-Martinez approach that passed the Senate. [4]

Florida Democratic Party also stated

Democrats Support Responsible, Comprehensive Immigration Reform. America's immigration system is broken, and our national and economic security is put at risk by the government's refusal to fix it. Democrats have been consistent in calling for comprehensive immigration reform that strengthens our border security, protects U.S. workers and their wages, reunites families, and allows hard working immigrants who pay taxes and obey the law the opportunity to apply for citizenship. [5]

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops supports Comprehensive Immigration Reform

We, the undersigned faith-based leaders and organizations, join together to call upon President Bush and our elected officials in Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform legislation that establishes a safe and humane immigration system consistent with our values. Our diverse faith traditions teach us to welcome our brothers and sisters with love and compassion. [6]

NAFSA: Association of International Educators stated that

Comprehensive immigration reform would serve myriad important U.S. interests. Those interests must not be sacrificed to the chimera of an enforcement-first approach. We urge Congress to face up to the difficult but essential task of comprehensive reform—including provisions to facilitate access for international students and scholars—and to reject simplistic solutions. [7]

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Official Statement

The Chamber strongly believes that immigration reform must be comprehensive and balanced to meet both our security and economic needs. We support legislation that would provide a step-by-step process in which an undocumented worker could qualify for permanent legal status. [8]

The National Restaurant Association on Immigration Reform

The National Restaurant Association believes that immigration reform is necessary in stabilizing the nation's workforce. Like hundreds of thousands of immigrants who came before them, today's immigrants are having a substantial impact on the restaurant industry's ethnic cuisines, as well as its work force. Immigrants contribute significantly to our nation, our history and to our industry. National Restaurant Association Supports Bipartisan Action on Immigration Reform [9]

kobe bry is the best ct (CIRA, S.2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years—fully one-third of the current population of the United States. (This number was later revised by Heritage Foundation downward to 66 million as a result of the passed amendment by the Senate that significantly reduced the number of legal immigrants who could enter under the bill's "guest worker" program.) This conclusion was based on the chain migration theory, whereby newly legalized immigrants can sponsor family members from their home country. [10]

The President of the IEEE, a commenting on the increase H-1B visas stated,

The bill opens the spigot on numerous skilled visa categories. The question is how many high-tech workers can the United States absorb annually without driving up unemployment and driving down wages?[11]

Others point out that no matter what proponents call it, this or similar legislation would be seen as an amnesty by people around the world, and they would attempt to come to the U.S. to take advantage of future amnesties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2006

[natty bumppo 297]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

[peejay 327]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

LOL...The American people didn't vote it down...it would have passed by Congress had cloture not been invoked, essentially killing any debate. Let's steer clear of the rhetoric and actually talk about the facts.

The reason closure wasn't envoked was because the American people bombarded their US senators in opposition to another mass blanket illegal alien amnesty and more weak laws that never would have been enforced. The opposition to this so called reform was overwhelming.

There was immigration reform in 1986 and 1996. Lots of amnesty and no enforcement. And millions of illegal aliens later the American people have no desire for a third repeat of these jokes.

Enforce the law and return credibility to our government.

It had broad support....

In favor of the legislation, the National Immigration Forum stated

Today, the U.S. Senate achieved a historic bipartisan breakthrough in the Senate in favor of comprehensive immigration reform. In stark contrast to the unworkable and punitive House bill enacted last December, the Senate bill has the right architecture and the right elements for comprehensive immigration reform. The bill would legalize an estimated 8 to 8.5 million undocumented immigrants and their families over the next 6 to 8 years...[1]

The National Council of La Raza , the nation's largest Hispanic American civil rights organization, also stated that

We have deep concerns about some of the provisions in this bill, but in the end the Senate has voted today to put millions of immigrants on a path to U.S. citizenship, and to enact the DREAM Act and AgJOBS compromise. This is a major step forward in a debate that is vital to our community and to the nation.[2]

Manhattan Institute For Policy Research

An overwhelming majority of registered, likely Republican voters support a broad approach to immigration reform that includes providing legal status to immigrants in the country illegally, even while many of them also consider this approach "amnesty." Republican voters also are more likely to support candidates who support immigration reform that combines border and workplace enforcement with a multi-step path to legalization for undocumented immigrants who learn English, pay fines, and taxes. Significantly, an overwhelming majority feel that it is very important for the Congress to solve the problem of illegal immigration this year. [3]

Republican National Committee MEMORANDUM

Public polls show that Americans want the government to solve the immigration problem. The public strongly supports a comprehensive approach. Providing a way for illegal immigrants already here to obtain legal status. Proposals to allow illegal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years and meet other requirements (pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line) to apply for legal status garner wide support.Close to 80% support such a proposal in the CNN poll (5/16-5/17) and 77% in the CBS News poll (5/16-5/17), including 76% of Republicans. And according to the NBC News/WSJ poll (4/21-4/24), more than two-thirds (68%) support the Hagel-Martinez approach that passed the Senate. [4]

Florida Democratic Party also stated

Democrats Support Responsible, Comprehensive Immigration Reform. America's immigration system is broken, and our national and economic security is put at risk by the government's refusal to fix it. Democrats have been consistent in calling for comprehensive immigration reform that strengthens our border security, protects U.S. workers and their wages, reunites families, and allows hard working immigrants who pay taxes and obey the law the opportunity to apply for citizenship. [5]

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops supports Comprehensive Immigration Reform

We, the undersigned faith-based leaders and organizations, join together to call upon President Bush and our elected officials in Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform legislation that establishes a safe and humane immigration system consistent with our values. Our diverse faith traditions teach us to welcome our brothers and sisters with love and compassion. [6]

NAFSA: Association of International Educators stated that

Comprehensive immigration reform would serve myriad important U.S. interests. Those interests must not be sacrificed to the chimera of an enforcement-first approach. We urge Congress to face up to the difficult but essential task of comprehensive reform—including provisions to facilitate access for international students and scholars—and to reject simplistic solutions. [7]

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Official Statement

The Chamber strongly believes that immigration reform must be comprehensive and balanced to meet both our security and economic needs. We support legislation that would provide a step-by-step process in which an undocumented worker could qualify for permanent legal status. [8]

The National Restaurant Association on Immigration Reform

The National Restaurant Association believes that immigration reform is necessary in stabilizing the nation's workforce. Like hundreds of thousands of immigrants who came before them, today's immigrants are having a substantial impact on the restaurant industry's ethnic cuisines, as well as its work force. Immigrants contribute significantly to our nation, our history and to our industry. National Restaurant Association Supports Bipartisan Action on Immigration Reform [9]

kobe bry is the best ct (CIRA, S.2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years—fully one-third of the current population of the United States. (This number was later revised by Heritage Foundation downward to 66 million as a result of the passed amendment by the Senate that significantly reduced the number of legal immigrants who could enter under the bill's "guest worker" program.) This conclusion was based on the chain migration theory, whereby newly legalized immigrants can sponsor family members from their home country. [10]

The President of the IEEE, a commenting on the increase H-1B visas stated,

The bill opens the spigot on numerous skilled visa categories. The question is how many high-tech workers can the United States absorb annually without driving up unemployment and driving down wages?[11]

Others point out that no matter what proponents call it, this or similar legislation would be seen as an amnesty by people around the world, and they would attempt to come to the U.S. to take advantage of future amnesties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2006

You forgot to add the ACLU, the government of Mexico, and the illegal aliens themselves to your stellar list. LoL

It's time for me to go beddy-bye. So bye-bye.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

They just want a better life.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You forgot to add the ACLU, the government of Mexico, and the illegal aliens themselves to your stellar list. LoL

LOL...and among that crowd it was worth mentioning the Republican National Committee Memorandum (it's highlighted in red above).

[natty bumppo 297]

Watching people promote illegal aliens on a legal family immigration forum ... well it's time these same people put their money and lives where their beliefs are.

If someone is so strong in their beliefs for illegal aliens ... then why are you even bothering to go through the visa process. It's time these people should simply practice what they preach. After all ... if they strongly believe ... do it ... place your life, fortune, and sacred honor on the line.

Otherwise ... you are a laugh.

One question - who specifically do you think is doing this?

Whoever promotes and pushes for illegals. Those people ... especially here on VJ .... nuff said ?

Yeah I got that. I was just wondering which specific names you were associating with that statement.

Who needs names ... just read.. nuff said ?

Or is reading .. okay ... I'll stop here ..

[kerewin21 2]

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Open the borders with Mexico and Canada, and spend money on helping the Mexicans secure their borders.

This seems to work fine in Western Europe, why not here? Convincing the Mexicans to allow Americans to own property in Mexico would help as well.

Mexico secures their southern border with bullets. They shoot illegals they catch on it, then jail and deport those who survive. Wanna take up a collection to buy them more bullets?

Does it not occur to you that KILLING people just might be a little bit overboard???? I know you're not even saying that tongue in cheek. You really think that attempting to cross a border without permission should be punishable by death, without a trial? Are you one of those people who has a shotgun next to the door ready to shoot anyone who steps onto your lawn without permission?

[Scott & Lai 12]

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Open the borders with Mexico and Canada, and spend money on helping the Mexicans secure their borders.

This seems to work fine in Western Europe, why not here? Convincing the Mexicans to allow Americans to own property in Mexico would help as well.

Mexico secures their southern border with bullets. They shoot illegals they catch on it, then jail and deport those who survive. Wanna take up a collection to buy them more bullets?

Does it not occur to you that KILLING people just might be a little bit overboard???? I know you're not even saying that tongue in cheek. You really think that attempting to cross a border without permission should be punishable by death, without a trial? Are you one of those people who has a shotgun next to the door ready to shoot anyone who steps onto your lawn without permission?

I think you missed GEG's point. It was suggested that we should spend money to help Mexico secure their borders. But Mexico's method of doing that includes shooting people who attempt to cross their southern border illegally. So money sent to help Mexico secure their borders would contribute to those shootings.