U.S. citizen arrested under state's new anti-illegal immigrant law, Hispanic advocate says

[Cassie 8]

And just to add to the discussion:

Schools Feel Impact Of Oklahoma's Immigration Law

KOTV - 11/6/2007 10:34 AM - Updated 11/7/2007 8:15 AM

Tulsa School officials say the state's new immigration law is having an impact across the district. The News On 6’s Ashli Sims reports while the fedeal courts continue to sort out the legal implications of House Bill 1804, some Tulsa School leaders say they are already feeling the fallout.

Ten years ago at Marshall Elementary School there was just a sprinkle of Spanish. Four years ago, there was a flood. Marshall is now 50% Hispanic and that is changed the very fabric of the school. Now with House Bill 1804, Marshall's principal says that fabric is ripping. She sees it in her students and teachers.

"It terrifies them. They hate it. There's been a lot of tears shed. They don't want their friends to go,” says Principal Kayla Robinson.

She says Hispanic friends are going as many as eight in just one week.

"The passage of 1804 has caused a number of our families to leave Tulsa. In fact to date, 22 Hispanic students have left our school,” said Principal Kayla Robinson.

Principal Robinson says that's about a classroom worth of kids. But that's not an official count. Tulsa Public Schools says the district won't know exactly how 1804 is affecting schools for another week, because students have to be gone for ten days before they're taken off the rolls.

Kayla Robinson says she's talked to several Hispanic families who have left out of fear.

"They have achieved good jobs. They pay market value rent in great apartments in this neighborhood. And, they want to continue that. So they feel like, many of them have to go elsewhere,” said Principal Kayla Robinson.

Some argue Oklahoma taxpayers shouldn't have to pay to educate students, who are here illegally. Principal Robinson says in her experience families aren't returning to Mexico or Latin America.

"Our families are going to other states. They're going to California and Houston, Atlanta. Places where they can get jobs as good or better than the ones they had here,” said Marshall Elementary Principal Kayla Robinson.

Oklahoma is asking a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit challenging a controversial new immigration law. A coalition of Hispanic leaders filed a lawsuit against House Bill 1804, almost two weeks ago. They also tried to get an injunction to stop the law from taking effect, but were rejected.

In Tuesday's filing, the AG's office claims the immigrants, churches, and businesses named in the suit have no standing. The lawsuit challenging House Bill 1804 will continue to move forward. The plaintiffs are expected to respond to the motion to dismiss later this week.

[natty bumppo 297]

Geez, Steven. Why don't you just come out and blankly state that you're pro-illegal and give the exchange some balance? One of the reasons that the discussion is often so black and white is because some of us are more committed to what feels good (having compassion for illegals and law-breaking) than doing good (standing up for our country's sovereignty).

I have loads of compassion, but my compassion is reserved for those who respect our borders and our laws. I have no compassion for illegals and would never marry or employ one. I have no compassion for accomodating illegals just because they're already here. I have no compassion for politicians and Latino supremicists who kiss Mexico's azz and try to tell us that we're racist because we're against measures that open the door to voter fraud. I have no compassion for what illegals and their broods have done to destroy our schools systems, even going so far as to import Mexico's curriculum into American schools.

My capacity for compassion for illegals and their supporters was shot by the hypocrisy of our government's agenda to privatize profits from cheap labor while holding out the hat to taxpayers for the costs illegals impose on our social structure. It was shot by illegals and their sychophants marching in my streets, telling me that I need to devalue my citizenship and hand over its privileges to them. It was shot by the underhanded manipulations of politicians putting forth propositions that erode the distinction between legal and legal, sovereignty and capitulation to the New World Order. My compassion was shot by the hypocrisy of a foreign government that shoots to kill at its southern border, yet demands, and gets, leniancy for its trespassers here.

That list is not all inclusive; I could go on. I don't need no stinkin political party to represent my views; Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. They have both proven to be worthless and ineffective when it comes to the bread and butter issues of the common man. Democracy was never a spectator sport and I have never played it that way. My representatives now know me by name. I've made sure of it. I am heard, and not just on this forum. Fear is what motivates politicians; make sure they feel the fear.

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

Leave, return to your home country and come here the legal way ... otherwise you're an illegal alien who is always at risk of being removed from my life for a long period of time. (every day is a new opportunity to be discovered and deported ... banished from the country). If you can't abide by the laws of my country and do the right things so we can be together ... then there is no respect.

Oh wait ... that would mean .. the person would be just like the rest of us on vj that observe the laws and complete the visa process ... how unfair (sarcasm)

[Heracles 417]

Good! The same thing is happening here in N.Virginia. Now Americans can start to benefit from tax payer funded services again. That is rather than catering for people who cannot even be bothered to try to speak the language here. Spoke to a teacher the other day who said that she has a Hispanic kid who has been here since he was 6 years old yet does not speak a word of English. He is in the 5th grade now..

The other positive thing for OK is that now, once again, poor Americans can take up these jobs rather than poor Mexicans. Anyone have a problem with that??

Edited November 7, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Caladan 19]

Geez, Steven. Why don't you just come out and blankly state that you're pro-illegal and give the exchange some balance? One of the reasons that the discussion is often so black and white is because some of us are more committed to what feels good (having compassion for illegals and law-breaking) than doing good (standing up for our country's sovereignty).

I have loads of compassion, but my compassion is reserved for those who respect our borders and our laws. I have no compassion for illegals and would never marry or employ one. I have no compassion for accomodating illegals just because they're already here. I have no compassion for politicians and Latino supremicists who kiss Mexico's azz and try to tell us that we're racist because we're against measures that open the door to voter fraud. I have no compassion for what illegals and their broods have done to destroy our schools systems, even going so far as to import Mexico's curriculum into American schools.

My capacity for compassion for illegals and their supporters was shot by the hypocrisy of our government's agenda to privatize profits from cheap labor while holding out the hat to taxpayers for the costs illegals impose on our social structure. It was shot by illegals and their sychophants marching in my streets, telling me that I need to devalue my citizenship and hand over its privileges to them. It was shot by the underhanded manipulations of politicians putting forth propositions that erode the distinction between legal and legal, sovereignty and capitulation to the New World Order. My compassion was shot by the hypocrisy of a foreign government that shoots to kill at its southern border, yet demands, and gets, leniancy for its trespassers here.

That list is not all inclusive; I could go on. I don't need no stinkin political party to represent my views; Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. They have both proven to be worthless and ineffective when it comes to the bread and butter issues of the common man. Democracy was never a spectator sport and I have never played it that way. My representatives now know me by name. I've made sure of it. I am heard, and not just on this forum. Fear is what motivates politicians; make sure they feel the fear.

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

Leave, return to your home country and come here the legal way ... otherwise you're an illegal alien who is always at risk of being removed from my life for a long period of time. (every day is a new opportunity to be discovered and deported ... banished from the country). If you can't abide by the laws of my country and do the right things so we can be together ... then there is no respect.

Oh wait ... that would mean .. the person would be just like the rest of us on vj that observe the laws and complete the visa process ... how unfair (sarcasm)

Do you give this advice on the board when someone says 'My wife came here on a tourist visa that is now expired, what do we do to get her a green card?' Because I certainly hope not.

[Heracles 417]

Do you give this advice on the board when someone says 'My wife came here on a tourist visa that is now expired, what do we do to get her a green card?' Because I certainly hope not.

Well really this person should have to go back. I do not know of any other developed country who would simply let someone stay there in that situation. They usually force them to go back and apply from their country of citizenship. Hence why the US immigration process needs to be modernized.

We should never reward anyone who breaks the rules or jumps the line.

[SMOKE 1,426]

And just to add to the discussion:

Schools Feel Impact Of Oklahoma's Immigration Law

KOTV - 11/6/2007 10:34 AM - Updated 11/7/2007 8:15 AM

Principal Robinson says in her experience families aren't returning to Mexico or Latin America.

"Our families are going to other states. They're going to California and Houston, Atlanta. Places where they can get jobs as good or better than the ones they had here,” said Marshall Elementary Principal Kayla Robinson.

nah nah nahna! nah nah nahna! hey hey hey! goodbye!

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

i guess being prudent does not enter into the equation. now if someone wants to jump on that train of heartbreak that's probably gonna have a wreck down the line, that's their choice.

[natty bumppo 297]

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

Leave, return to your home country and come here the legal way ... otherwise you're an illegal alien who is always at risk of being removed from my life for a long period of time. (every day is a new opportunity to be discovered and deported ... banished from the country). If you can't abide by the laws of my country and do the right things so we can be together ... then there is no respect.

Oh wait ... that would mean .. the person would be just like the rest of us on vj that observe the laws and complete the visa process ... how unfair (sarcasm)

Do you give this advice on the board when someone says 'My wife came here on a tourist visa that is now expired, what do we do to get her a green card?' Because I certainly hope not.

Huh?

Married ... tourist visa expired ... no status ... go back to your country ... get the proper visa (K-3 or CR/IR-1). That person will get no sympathy from me.

We're still working through the process. My wife (we were married before her visit) came to visit me this year on a tourist visa and returned to her country as required so we can legally complete the visa process we had already started ... as we are supposed to do. When the process is completed ... then she will return. It's time away ... it's not fun ... and it's the right thing to do.

To be blunt ... escort the wife to the airport ... and use skype.

Edited November 7, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

Geez, Steven. Why don't you just come out and blankly state that you're pro-illegal and give the exchange some balance? One of the reasons that the discussion is often so black and white is because some of us are more committed to what feels good (having compassion for illegals and law-breaking) than doing good (standing up for our country's sovereignty).

I have loads of compassion, but my compassion is reserved for those who respect our borders and our laws. I have no compassion for illegals and would never marry or employ one. I have no compassion for accomodating illegals just because they're already here. I have no compassion for politicians and Latino supremicists who kiss Mexico's azz and try to tell us that we're racist because we're against measures that open the door to voter fraud. I have no compassion for what illegals and their broods have done to destroy our schools systems, even going so far as to import Mexico's curriculum into American schools.

My capacity for compassion for illegals and their supporters was shot by the hypocrisy of our government's agenda to privatize profits from cheap labor while holding out the hat to taxpayers for the costs illegals impose on our social structure. It was shot by illegals and their sychophants marching in my streets, telling me that I need to devalue my citizenship and hand over its privileges to them. It was shot by the underhanded manipulations of politicians putting forth propositions that erode the distinction between legal and legal, sovereignty and capitulation to the New World Order. My compassion was shot by the hypocrisy of a foreign government that shoots to kill at its southern border, yet demands, and gets, leniancy for its trespassers here.

That list is not all inclusive; I could go on. I don't need no stinkin political party to represent my views; Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. They have both proven to be worthless and ineffective when it comes to the bread and butter issues of the common man. Democracy was never a spectator sport and I have never played it that way. My representatives now know me by name. I've made sure of it. I am heard, and not just on this forum. Fear is what motivates politicians; make sure they feel the fear.

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

Leave, return to your home country and come here the legal way ... otherwise you're an illegal alien who is always at risk of being removed from my life for a long period of time. (every day is a new opportunity to be discovered and deported ... banished from the country). If you can't abide by the laws of my country and do the right things so we can be together ... then there is no respect.

Oh wait ... that would mean .. the person would be just like the rest of us on vj that observe the laws and complete the visa process ... how unfair (sarcasm)

Do you give this advice on the board when someone says 'My wife came here on a tourist visa that is now expired, what do we do to get her a green card?' Because I certainly hope not.

if married before the tourist visa stay expired, they can adjust. that's a far cry from the crowd that came here without any visa whatsoever now isn't it?

[natty bumppo 297]

Do you give this advice on the board when someone says 'My wife came here on a tourist visa that is now expired, what do we do to get her a green card?' Because I certainly hope not.

if married before the tourist visa stay expired, they can adjust. that's a far cry from the crowd that came here without any visa whatsoever now isn't it?

Then there will be the extra thought of marriage fraud ...

[natty bumppo 297]

And just to add to the discussion:

Schools Feel Impact Of Oklahoma's Immigration Law

KOTV - 11/6/2007 10:34 AM - Updated 11/7/2007 8:15 AM

Principal Robinson says in her experience families aren't returning to Mexico or Latin America.

"Our families are going to other states. They're going to California and Houston, Atlanta. Places where they can get jobs as good or better than the ones they had here,” said Marshall Elementary Principal Kayla Robinson.

nah nah nahna! nah nah nahna! hey hey hey! goodbye!

If they show up here ... can we stamp on their foreheads ... “Return to sender, address unknown”

And send them back ?

Edited November 7, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Folks, the confrontational tone of this thread started WAY before Mr. Fancypants jumped on.

Obviously, most of the people who come down on the side of the law and state that they are against illegals, pure and simple, end of story are very careful to make sure that they do NOTHING that would possibly pay the wages of or contribute to illegals in any way. Right?

You don't patronize restaurants where illegals work in the kitchen because the price of your meal may contribute the the wages paid to illegal dishwashers.

You have made it very clear to your employer that those cleaning the office MUST be legal, because you wouldn't want the person paying your wages to also pay the wages of the illegal cleaning person.

You wouldn't dream of taking a summer vacation in Cape Cod and staying at a hotel that employs illegal Irish women to clean your rooms.

Your fruit was picked by someone on an H1B visa, because you have already looked into the farmer's hiring practices and he provides visas for his workers.

Your landscaper only hires PR and you're willing to pay a bit more to ensure that he doesn't hire illegals so it's cheaper for him and you.

That roofing crew who did your roof last summer cost a bit more than the competition, but that's cool because you can rest assured that all had their papers.

In all, since you are so against illegal immigration, you are very careful about where you spend your money because you don't want anything to get into the hands of those you despise so. You are totally okay with paying a bit more if you can be sure that it's because the services provided are provided by people who have to be paid legally, because they are here legally. Of course, since you're human, you may make mistakes and inadvertently pay for a service or a good and your payment somehow trickles down to an illegal. Understandable. But for the most part, you would never take advantage of cheap labor or goods and knowingly let your hard-earned money find it's way to an illegal. Right? Because coming down hard on their presence yet benefiting from the lower costs of their services would be hypocritical, and non of teh anti-immigation folks are hypocritical!

[Bootylicious!! 2]

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

i guess being prudent does not enter into the equation. now if someone wants to jump on that train of heartbreak that's probably gonna have a wreck down the line, that's their choice.

So are you saying I'm on a path to a wreck? I don't get your point. Just because I married a once illegal doesn't mean I'm on the path towards a wreck or heartbreak. I'd suffice it to say my time away from Javi while we waited on his waiver to be processed wasn't any worse than any other couple's time away from each other. Except that our time was probably shorter.

As far as whoever it was that said they wouldn't marry an illegal. I'm so glad you were fortunate enough to decide who you fell in love with. Just so happens when you fall in love with an illegal, the easiest way to get them here is to marry them, then show what hardships it would be to have them not come back. So, you'd basically be shooting yourself in the foot if you didn't marry them before carting them back off to their home country. And don't even jump on the band wagon of you just married him to get him his visa. Because that's not true. I'd have married him even if he didn't get his visa. My love for him isn't based on his immigration status.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

what would you tell him? I love you but we can't get married, because I'd be enabling you. I guess the other people here that married an illegal had that question.. care about 'soverignity' or about my happiness..

i guess being prudent does not enter into the equation. now if someone wants to jump on that train of heartbreak that's probably gonna have a wreck down the line, that's their choice.

So are you saying I'm on a path to a wreck? I don't get your point. Just because I married a once illegal doesn't mean I'm on the path towards a wreck or heartbreak. I'd suffice it to say my time away from Javi while we waited on his waiver to be processed wasn't any worse than any other couple's time away from each other. Except that our time was probably shorter.

As far as whoever it was that said they wouldn't marry an illegal. I'm so glad you were fortunate enough to decide who you fell in love with. Just so happens when you fall in love with an illegal, the easiest way to get them here is to marry them, then show what hardships it would be to have them not come back. So, you'd basically be shooting yourself in the foot if you didn't marry them before carting them back off to their home country. And don't even jump on the band wagon of you just married him to get him his visa. Because that's not true. I'd have married him even if he didn't get his visa. My love for him isn't based on his immigration status.

how many have we seen that have had a train wreck of heartbreak? just because you marry one does not guarantee they will get here. remember miss liss?

[Heracles 417]

how many have we seen that have had a train wreck of heartbreak? just because you marry one does not guarantee they will get here. remember miss liss?

Nor should it..