U.S. citizen arrested under state's new anti-illegal immigrant law, Hispanic advocate says

[Peikko 1,575]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

[peejay 327]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

[russ 1]

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Open the borders with Mexico and Canada, and spend money on helping the Mexicans secure their borders.

This seems to work fine in Western Europe, why not here? Convincing the Mexicans to allow Americans to own property in Mexico would help as well.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

My name is Gabacha Yucateca and I'm an enabler!!! Tee hee.

I do suppose that I would be jailed and fined heavily for all my enabling, transporting and assisting of illegal aliens!

Man, I used to get so enraged reading what I perceive as close-minded views on the plight of illegal aliens....I mean, can you really take someone seriously when they're frothing at the mouth, swearing about GET THE F&CK OUT all in caps and rabidly shouting the same thing over and over again?

How many of you are actually card-carrying members of the Minutemen?

Well, gotta boogie....have to pick up homeboy from his English class and chit chat with my illegal friends while I wait for him. How much would that cost me in Oklahoma?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

[GabachaYucateca 0]

Um, Russ....foreigners (including Americans) can own property in Mexico. I know probably hundreds who do. The only limitation is on beachfront property, and there are simple ways around that. Legal ones.

[russ 1]

Um, Russ....foreigners (including Americans) can own property in Mexico. I know probably hundreds who do. The only limitation is on beachfront property, and there are simple ways around that. Legal ones.

The way around it is that it is owned by a Mexican bank, and yes - it's only beachfront property I've looked at.

[peejay 327]

My name is Gabacha Yucateca and I'm an enabler!!! Tee hee.

I do suppose that I would be jailed and fined heavily for all my enabling, transporting and assisting of illegal aliens!

Man, I used to get so enraged reading what I perceive as close-minded views on the plight of illegal aliens....I mean, can you really take someone seriously when they're frothing at the mouth, swearing about GET THE F&CK OUT all in caps and rabidly shouting the same thing over and over again?

How many of you are actually card-carrying members of the Minutemen?

Well, gotta boogie....have to pick up homeboy from his English class and chit chat with my illegal friends while I wait for him. How much would that cost me in Oklahoma?

And then there are others that are the exact mirror image of "frothing at the mouth" types.

Edited November 6, 2007 by peejay

[natty bumppo 297]

People shout 'racial profiling' because that's exactly what happens. Perfectly legal US citizens who happen to look 'wrong' are questioned disproportionately. If you were constantly required to prove your legal status, you might think twice about making such a statements.

when traveling abroad I constantly need to show passport and legal status in the country. Even if it is to rent a car or check into a hotel. No big deal ... it happens and I just am prepared for it and be polite.

Since I moved to Houston I have been asked for SS card or proof of legal status lots of times. It's simple to do ... now that I have a TX DL ... and have met the requirements ... it's no big deal.

I don't break the immigration laws ... so I have nothing to fear ... do you ?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Open the borders with Mexico and Canada, and spend money on helping the Mexicans secure their borders.

This seems to work fine in Western Europe, why not here? Convincing the Mexicans to allow Americans to own property in Mexico would help as well.

Mexico secures their southern border with bullets. They shoot illegals they catch on it, then jail and deport those who survive. Wanna take up a collection to buy them more bullets?

[peejay 327]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

My name is Gabacha Yucateca and I'm an enabler!!! Tee hee.

I do suppose that I would be jailed and fined heavily for all my enabling, transporting and assisting of illegal aliens!

Man, I used to get so enraged reading what I perceive as close-minded views on the plight of illegal aliens....I mean, can you really take someone seriously when they're frothing at the mouth, swearing about GET THE F&CK OUT all in caps and rabidly shouting the same thing over and over again?

How many of you are actually card-carrying members of the Minutemen?

Well, gotta boogie....have to pick up homeboy from his English class and chit chat with my illegal friends while I wait for him. How much would that cost me in Oklahoma?

what exactly does the minutemen have to do with this?

[natty bumppo 297]

My name is Gabacha Yucateca and I'm an enabler!!! Tee hee.

I do suppose that I would be jailed and fined heavily for all my enabling, transporting and assisting of illegal aliens!

Man, I used to get so enraged reading what I perceive as close-minded views on the plight of illegal aliens....I mean, can you really take someone seriously when they're frothing at the mouth, swearing about GET THE F&CK OUT all in caps and rabidly shouting the same thing over and over again?

How many of you are actually card-carrying members of the Minutemen?

Well, gotta boogie....have to pick up homeboy from his English class and chit chat with my illegal friends while I wait for him. How much would that cost me in Oklahoma?

what exactly does the minutemen have to do with this?

I sense a Troll ....

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

LOL...The American people didn't vote it down...it would have passed by Congress had cloture not been invoked, essentially killing any debate. Let's steer clear of the rhetoric and actually talk about the facts.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006

The major difference between the H.R. 4437 and S. 2611 is that there is a citizenship path proposed in S. 2611. This would allow illegal immigrants who have been in the country for more than five years, estimated to be 7 million in number, to apply for citizenship by paying fines and back taxes. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country for 2 to 5 years, numbering around 3 million, would be allowed to stay in the country without fear of deportation, but after 3 years would have to leave the U.S. and could apply for citizenship at border check points. Those in the country for under 2 years would be required to return to their original nations. Thus, with some waiting, 10 million illegal immigrants could be eligible to become citizens. The fine is around $2000, but some sources say it might be higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2006

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Noticing what? That certain people consistently question the imposition of bad law? Quite possibly, but that's a far cry from supporting illegal immigration and enabling illegal immigrants (even supposing I know exactly what people mean when they make these sweeping statements).

Well...I'm waiting...for your solution to stopping illegal immigration. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Which is it? Are you a problem solver or an enabler? Tell us your "good law" solution.

Absolutes never amount to anything in reality, peejay - I think you know that. As for solutions, I have and many here have offered solutions, but they aren't the solutions you are happy with. We had an Immigration Reform Bill that died in Congress. Where's the courage on the federal level to address immigration reform? What has happened has been a stale-mate. There has to be compromise if we are going to have any real immigration reform in this country. In the meantime, states will try to tackle the issue haphazardly, only to find they up against issues of constitutionality and jurisdiction.

The American people didn't want another mass blanket amnesty (there have been 7 already) and more new laws that won't be enforced any better than the old laws. We're tired of empty promises.

The American people overwhelmingly want our laws enforced. What we have now is mass anarchy and zero credibility.

LOL...The American people didn't vote it down...it would have passed by Congress had cloture not been invoked, essentially killing any debate. Let's steer clear of the rhetoric and actually talk about the facts.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006

The major difference between the H.R. 4437 and S. 2611 is that there is a citizenship path proposed in S. 2611. This would allow illegal immigrants who have been in the country for more than five years, estimated to be 7 million in number, to apply for citizenship by paying fines and back taxes. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country for 2 to 5 years, numbering around 3 million, would be allowed to stay in the country without fear of deportation, but after 3 years would have to leave the U.S. and could apply for citizenship at border check points. Those in the country for under 2 years would be required to return to their original nations. Thus, with some waiting, 10 million illegal immigrants could be eligible to become citizens. The fine is around $2000, but some sources say it might be higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive...orm_Act_of_2006

oh yeah, like they will obey the law then

all a big pipe dream imo.