U.S. citizen arrested under state's new anti-illegal immigrant law, Hispanic advocate says

[♥JP♥ 5]

There is only so far one can go with border security and still have free flow (which is a trade necessity). I do not for one moment believe that the US has either the motivation or the ability to scrutinise every person who goes through every border in a way that would satisfy your personal requirements.

Agreed but what exactly is your issue with increasing border security?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As I see it people are angry at the migrants because of the govts inability/unwillingness to do diddly squat about the problem. In the meantime you have people living in poverty on the other side of the border who have, for whatever reason decided that their immediate needs supersede considerations of immigration law. That is that reality - regardless of whether you want to wag your finger in the face of a person for being "immoral", or lacking "personal responsibility".

a.k.a. lacking personal responsibilty to find work/feed their family legally.

An easy judgment that assumes that the conditions in their home country are such that this is actually possible.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The anaolgy has everything in it that paralles what we are discussing here. Personal responsibility.

- The car owner has personal responsibility to not allow the opportunity to have their vehicle stolen.

- The government/borders have a responsibility to tighten the brorders for all the reasons why there are issues with

it not being tightened

Have personal responsibility, absoluetly - however it is massively unrealistic to expect anyone to have personal responsibility for anyone else but themselves.

Your car - you protect it.

So let's all do those things that are illegal, yet we can get away with.

You know, no need for personal responsibilty & all. Blame anyone but yourself! Anarchy *IS* A-OK - according to some in this thread.

That's a bit hysterical don't you think? And exactly why a civilized, reasonable discussion about this subject seems to be completely impossible.

Not really.

Several of you have pointed out that it's not the illegals fault, ONLY THE GOV'T. That would be classified as anarchy, no? Complete disregard for laws & govt?

an·ar·chy

–noun

1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

Well the dictionary definition is all well and good - but Anarchy as a political theory is actually more about deregulated forms of self-government - not "no government" at all.

[no name 1]

The anaolgy has everything in it that paralles what we are discussing here. Personal responsibility.

- The car owner has personal responsibility to not allow the opportunity to have their vehicle stolen.

- The government/borders have a responsibility to tighten the brorders for all the reasons why there are issues with

it not being tightened

Have personal responsibility, absoluetly - however it is massively unrealistic to expect anyone to have personal responsibility for anyone else but themselves.

Your car - you protect it.

So let's all do those things that are illegal, yet we can get away with.

You know, no need for personal responsibilty & all. Blame anyone but yourself! Anarchy *IS* A-OK - according to some in this thread.

That's a bit hysterical don't you think? And exactly why a civilized, reasonable discussion about this subject seems to be completely impossible.

Not really.

Several of you have pointed out that it's not the illegals fault, ONLY THE GOV'T. That would be classified as anarchy, no? Complete disregard for laws & govt?

an·ar·chy

–noun

1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

Well the dictionary definition is all well and good - but Anarchy as a political theory is actually more about deregulated forms of self-government - not "no government" at all.

of course, I forgot, you know it all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The anaolgy has everything in it that paralles what we are discussing here. Personal responsibility.

- The car owner has personal responsibility to not allow the opportunity to have their vehicle stolen.

- The government/borders have a responsibility to tighten the brorders for all the reasons why there are issues with

it not being tightened

Have personal responsibility, absoluetly - however it is massively unrealistic to expect anyone to have personal responsibility for anyone else but themselves.

Your car - you protect it.

So let's all do those things that are illegal, yet we can get away with.

You know, no need for personal responsibilty & all. Blame anyone but yourself! Anarchy *IS* A-OK - according to some in this thread.

That's a bit hysterical don't you think? And exactly why a civilized, reasonable discussion about this subject seems to be completely impossible.

Not really.

Several of you have pointed out that it's not the illegals fault, ONLY THE GOV'T. That would be classified as anarchy, no? Complete disregard for laws & govt?

an·ar·chy

–noun

1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.

3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.

4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.

Well the dictionary definition is all well and good - but Anarchy as a political theory is actually more about deregulated forms of self-government - not "no government" at all.

of course, I forgot, you know it all.

As I said - this sort of thing is exactly why we can't have a civilized discussion about this subject. You want to base your argument exclusively on anger and indignant outrage, but at the same time don't want to touch the real issues of economic disparity that are the root cause of a problem that goes back decades.

Talk about putting a band aid on cancer.

[♥JP♥ 5]

I think Steve will be bringing some donuts here soon, that should calm everyone down.

[Cassie 8]

A U.S. citizen was arrested under the state's controversial new anti-illegal immigrant law overnight in Tulsa County, an opponent of the law said Thursday.

So, any follow up to the original posted article? I haven't found anything.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why don't I want their to be an increase in border security? I am not sure that I don't. However, one has to strike a balance between what is economically viable and allows the free movement of legitimate trade and persons and legitimate security concerns.

If a policy is unlikely to improve security significantly, but is a severe drain on resources, then it's a bad policy in my opinion. That is my position with regards to building a wall between Mexico and the US. This becomes even more ridiculous if one believes, as I do, that these measures do not address the reasons behind illegal immigration.

[Ban Hammer 13,225]

Pretty amazing to me also how heartless this a$$hole is. for sure. Alot of these people. I read where you talked about dying of hunger or jumping the border. That is a easy desicion for me. But thank goodness most of the people in here would never have to think about that. That makes me happy, just sad to see how heartless some are here. No love at all. All I will say is I think Nessa is a cool person just judging from her posts here. HUMBLE, i like it.

go smoke some more ganja, that's all you are good for other than trolling threads and popping up like a ####### in a swimming pool.

[Ban Hammer 13,225]

ENRICH is the word you used? hahaha dude open your eyes! SURVIVE is the word, try to make a living w/2-4 dlls an hour and lets see if you feel the same way.

People are just too damn self centered, and it is nonesense to try to change them,

YEAH

CHARLES IS ALL CATTLE AND A LITTLE HAT WITH BIG TROUSERS FULL OF SH!T

AS WE SAY HERE IN BOBOFOOL LAND

THIS GUY IS A PURE BOBO

A PURE FOOL

AND ANYONE WHO SAYS ANY DIFFERENT, JUST READ THIS POST, MAKES YOU WANT TO CRY TO KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CORNFIELD, THERE ARE 4 NORTHS, WITH ALL HAT AND NO BULL AND COW TO RIDE!!

And yes, there is nonsense to try to change them. They love hate. It is good, to some. That is why I dont try to hate, I just go the republican route and throw hate around. I figured "go the high road, be better" Then I look at the ###### that has gotten us. 6 years war, more poor people, more ultra rich people, less middle, a severely divided country and i said fucque it!! Charles is a a$$hole, and really it makes me sad saying this, as I truly think Nessa is a lawful, uprite, honorary citizen(world citizen)

dude, take some dimensional lumber and go to the beach and pack sand. you make about as much sense as gwb on crack.

[NavarreMan 10]

It's OK for someone to jump "THE FENCE" as has been demonstrated by a number of advocates of such illegal activity. As long as it is not your fence, no problem. It's not your yard, your property. It is some body else's problem down in Texas or some other state. Nope, you are comfortable in your little home safe with the knowledge that if some one tries to jump "YOUR FENCE" the local police will protect you.

You preach to me about how it is OK because they are poor and hungry and tell me how I feel like I am holier than thou because I am on a pedestal and that I have no compassion for my fellow human beings. You could not be further from the truth. But what do you care about truth.

You are fighting quite diligently to justify the breaking of several state and federal laws because YOU feel they are unjust. I firmly believe that most of us here understand the motivation behind the law breaking and illegal activity. But only a few sanction it. You are one of them. Tell it to the judge sister because you have no argument. It is not I that says you are wrong but the law. And you are ready to throw the very laws that protect you and will provide you with recourse should you be somehow violated, right out the window because only you know what is the greater good for all of us ignorant Americans that believe in living by the rules. You are a one-woman Supreme Court. You are the one who is too good to follow the rules. You are the one who is deciding all by herself what laws are to be obeyed and which are to be broken. You are the one who is telling me that I have no compassion for my fellow man.

Try a different argument because this one don't float.

[Peikko 1,575]

Just out of interest, why there is so much illegal immigration coming from the Souther border and so little from the Northern If there is no economic motivation?

I have no other explanation for it, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

I would not prosecute a starving man if they stole food from me, I would prosecute a rich man who did the same. I would of course prefer to give the food to the starving person and then help them to provide their own food.

[Sprailenes 47]

Nope, there isn't much to run from in Canada, except maybe Don Cherry.

[Alt name 1]

She should have been arrested. It's high time illegal immigrants were cracked down on. It's past time the people who help them are cracked down on. It's time for them to go home, get in line, and wait like we wait for our legal immigrants. Sorry. Illegal is illegal. Even if you are a poor, mistreated hispanic (or from anywhere else). We enjoy police protection because we PAY for it and the costs of providing services to illegal immigrants are run and published. If you are legal, and are asked to prove it, it's no different from a whitebread USC who gets his license run during a traffic stop and has to show there is no reason to hold him. If you are illegal, or support illegal immigration, we're already mad enough and have paid enough and waited enough for doing this legally. <grin> wrong forum.......

Funny there are no stories of "mistreated" LEGAL immigrants?

arrested for transporting her boyfriend, who was an illegal alien

She should have been arrested

As for Hispnaics being afraid to call the police, well if they weren't criminals in hiding they wouldn't be afraid.

Maybe they shouldn't be living here illegally. If they are here Legally they know they have Nothing to worry about.

If they don't like to live in the shadows or live in feer of being arrested

Then they should self deport & GET THE F*@K out.

''It seems like an all-out assault on us for enforcing the law.''

Illegals and activist like to fuss and cry "racila Profiling" simply because USA is enforcing its own laws. It has nothing to do with race or human rights.

It is CUT & DRY The law is the law you break the law you pay the price.

THERE IS A WAY TO BECOME LEGAL, GET THE F*@K Back to where you entered illegally and apply LEGALLY like the rest of us have to do.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

She should have been arrested. It's high time illegal immigrants were cracked down on. It's past time the people who help them are cracked down on. It's time for them to go home, get in line, and wait like we wait for our legal immigrants. Sorry. Illegal is illegal. Even if you are a poor, mistreated hispanic (or from anywhere else). We enjoy police protection because we PAY for it and the costs of providing services to illegal immigrants are run and published. If you are legal, and are asked to prove it, it's no different from a whitebread USC who gets his license run during a traffic stop and has to show there is no reason to hold him. If you are illegal, or support illegal immigration, we're already mad enough and have paid enough and waited enough for doing this legally. <grin> wrong forum.......

Funny there are no stories of "mistreated" LEGAL immigrants?

So what political party supports that view?