Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

[Peikko 1,575]

Nope, I don't carry anything most of the time. Never had to before, not going to start now.

Of course, I don't look 'foreign' so I doubt I will get stopped on spec. However, that's I think the point, people who look 'wrong' get stopped. They shouldn't, but they do.

[russ 1]

So... you don't carry your driver's license on you? That's a state-issued form of identification.

I don't routinely carry mine - I don't drive very often.

I sincerely hope the US does not end up like Russia, with police shaking you down for you papers (or bribes) everywhere you go.

[natty bumppo 297]

Mr. 2nd Amendment himself...just remember that the next time you complain about gun laws that 'encroach' on your 2nd Amendment rights. We're just trying to go after the criminals after all.

And I need to show ID to purchase ... and pay for a background check to PROVE who I am and that I am not a criminal or illegal alien. Also I need to show proof of CCW and ID if/ when requested.

And OK is going after the criminals ... and it's the illegals turn ... prove who you are if "you are being interviewed by police (busted,pulled over, witness to a crime..etc.) & do not have a Oklahoma dl or id when asked". If no proof ... you don't get to continue being here.

Now back to the illegal aliens and OK laws. This is not a gun debate.

[eau_xplain 2]

ok the federal gov't has done nothing to protect Oklahomas state funded assistance programs, from people that have 0 right for US or the state of Oklahomas assistance. the people of Oklahoma have leaned on our polititions to take action. (yes it is the right of the state to protect its programs). and they have.(a rep. lawmaker pushed it & a dem. gov. signed it into law...they are together on illegal immigration)

they are not going door to door checking papers. they are not singling out any ethnic groups. if you are being interviewed by police (busted,pulled over, witness to a crime..etc.) & do not have a Oklahoma dl or id when asked(in Oklahoma it is the law you get-asap-& carry state id on your person at all times--reguardless of your status) you then need to produce documentation of status (which you are required to carry anyway). (legal immigrant, visa carring visitor, USC, guest worker..etc.) if you do not have your paperwork...then they turn you over to immigration (remember its ICE's job to enforce the law) they will then deport or release people based on their findings.

now the beauty of this law. if you will fully house, transport, employ, or aid illegal immirants it is a felony (same as any felony-no right to vote, no right to bare arms...etc.) & pay a $1000 dollar fine per offense.

remember if you have done nothing you have nothing to fear!

the state of Oklahoma has had enough & has taken action....if you don't like it GTFO!

OK, here's a scenario I'm seeing.....

My son, who's in the process of being adopted by my husband, becomes a USC as soon as the adoption becomes final. He has an NC DL (or will have one in a couple of months). He goes to OK for a two-week camp/seminar/workshop. He just happened to fail to do a full stop at a STOP sign. An OK cop pulls him over, asks him for his ID. He shows his NCDL.

Based on the points you have above, the next step the police officer would do is ask my son for proof of citizenship or legal status. Is he supposed to carry his adoption papers around with him? Do we have to get him a US passport and have him carry it with him all the time?

What if it's my husband in the same scenario above? Will the police even ask him if he was a USC after my husband shows an NCDL or will the cop just assume he is one because he is white and has blue eyes?

I agree that anybody who is seeking state-funded benefits or aid should show proof of legal status but we should all be careful not to allow further infringement into the rights of USCs and those who are here legally.

[Peikko 1,575]

I doubt it will, at least for people who look like a "typical US citizen". I guess that's where the discomfort comes in though. I, and people who look like me can walk around without identification and the chances of getting into trouble because of it are negligible. However, that's a form of discrimination isn't it?

[SMOKE 1,426]

Nope, I don't carry anything most of the time. Never had to before, not going to start now.

Of course, I don't look 'foreign' so I doubt I will get stopped on spec. However, that's I think the point, people who look 'wrong' get stopped. They shouldn't, but they do.

& people looking for a reason to whine, complain, and make remarks like that usually do.

ok the federal gov't has done nothing to protect Oklahomas state funded assistance programs, from people that have 0 right for US or the state of Oklahomas assistance. the people of Oklahoma have leaned on our polititions to take action. (yes it is the right of the state to protect its programs). and they have.(a rep. lawmaker pushed it & a dem. gov. signed it into law...they are together on illegal immigration)

they are not going door to door checking papers. they are not singling out any ethnic groups. if you are being interviewed by police (busted,pulled over, witness to a crime..etc.) & do not have a Oklahoma dl or id when asked(in Oklahoma it is the law you get-asap-& carry state id on your person at all times--reguardless of your status) you then need to produce documentation of status (which you are required to carry anyway). (legal immigrant, visa carring visitor, USC, guest worker..etc.) if you do not have your paperwork...then they turn you over to immigration (remember its ICE's job to enforce the law) they will then deport or release people based on their findings.

now the beauty of this law. if you will fully house, transport, employ, or aid illegal immirants it is a felony (same as any felony-no right to vote, no right to bare arms...etc.) & pay a $1000 dollar fine per offense.

remember if you have done nothing you have nothing to fear!

the state of Oklahoma has had enough & has taken action....if you don't like it GTFO!

OK, here's a scenario I'm seeing.....

My son, who's in the process of being adopted by my husband, becomes a USC as soon as the adoption becomes final. He has an NC DL (or will have one in a couple of months). He goes to OK for a two-week camp/seminar/workshop. He just happened to fail to do a full stop at a STOP sign. An OK cop pulls him over, asks him for his ID. He shows his NCDL.

Based on the points you have above, the next step the police officer would do is ask my son for proof of citizenship or legal status. Is he supposed to carry his adoption papers around with him? Do we have to get him a US passport and have him carry it with him all the time?

What if it's my husband in the same scenario above? Will the police even ask him if he was a USC after my husband shows an NCDL or will the cop just assume he is one because he is white and has blue eyes?

I agree that anybody who is seeking state-funded benefits or aid should show proof of legal status but we should all be careful not to allow further infringement into the rights of USCs and those who are here legally.

send all paperwork with him.....no problems...if he is staying in Oklahoma..its the law he gets a state ID.

Edited November 5, 2007 by tapout

[natty bumppo 297]

OK, here's a scenario I'm seeing.....

My son, who's in the process of being adopted by my husband, becomes a USC as soon as the adoption becomes final. He has an NC DL (or will have one in a couple of months). He goes to OK for a two-week camp/seminar/workshop. He just happened to fail to do a full stop at a STOP sign. An OK cop pulls him over, asks him for his ID. He shows his NCDL.

Based on the points you have above, the next step the police officer would do is ask my son for proof of citizenship or legal status. Is he supposed to carry his adoption papers around with him? Do we have to get him a US passport and have him carry it with him all the time?

What if it's my husband in the same scenario above? Will the police even ask him if he was a USC after my husband shows an NCDL or will the cop just assume he is one because he is white and has blue eyes?

I agree that anybody who is seeking state-funded benefits or aid should show proof of legal status but we should all be careful not to allow further infringement into the rights of USCs and those who are here legally.

No problem ...

NC DL Requirements

"2. Proof of Age & Identity:

Proof of age and identity includes providing your full name (including your middle name or initial) and date of birth. You will need a total of two documents from this category, one of which must show your date of birth. You must provide proof of your social security number or provide a document issued by the United States Government indicating legal presence. If you have just recently moved to North Carolina and are applying for your original North Carolina driver license your valid, unexpired "out-of-state" driver license with photo counts as one form of identification. "

[Peikko 1,575]

So, you are comfortable with people being stopped and searched on the basis that they 'look wrong'?

Freedom to me means freedom to be anonymous too, lol.

[SMOKE 1,426]

So, you are comfortable with people being stopped and searched on the basis that they 'look wrong'?

Freedom to me means freedom to be anonymous too, lol.

you are the one accusing police of this.....do you have any proof this has or will happen? NO

[Peikko 1,575]

I wasn't aware that I was accusing anyone of anything. Thank you for letting me know.

[SMOKE 1,426]

So, you are comfortable with people being stopped and searched on the basis that they 'look wrong'?

Freedom to me means freedom to be anonymous too, lol.

I wasn't aware that I was accusing anyone of anything. Thank you for letting me know.

have a short memory?

[Peikko 1,575]

That's not an accusation, it's a statement. People who 'look wrong' already get stopped more often by the police. Nothing new there.

[SMOKE 1,426]

some people can't stand it when their arguement is baseless & someone points it out.......just a statement

[Ban Hammer 13,445]

I didn't know my husband was out of status until the week before we got married.

And at that point, I didn't really care. (And no, he never lied to me, I just never asked. I didn't care.)

Sure glad we don't live in Oklahoma. Because it seems like this is going to affect legal immigrants in a bad way, too.

Well right now, the mantra is:

"The Tulsa County Sheriff's Office says the only Hispanic people who need to worry about being deported are the ones who are here illegally and are caught committing a crime." (as quoted from the kotv website)

I'm still carrying around all my paperwork everywhere I go.

i didn't know canadians looked hispanic

[athena_ny 1]

Maybe meow mix's husband should have told her sooner. That's really neither here nor there, except if you're in the aspersions casting game; immigration status isn't usually something that comes up when dating and given the general ignorance (C.'s a citizen now, right?) people have until they actually go through the process, I don't think it says much of anything interesting. He may not have mentioned it because he didn't think it was a big deal (as it turns out, he was exactly right.)

The question is do you think it would be right for her to be considered a felon, with all the fun and games that entails? If not, why not?

peejay, it seems your argument boils down to 'Yeah, Hispanics will be harassed, but so what, I'm not Hispanic and neither is anyone I care about, so it's a good law.'

In a lot of people's minds, I should have asked. I can see, but when I would have asked it wasn't my business (I don't quiz all who I know on immigration status) and by the time it was, no matter what he said, it wouldn't have changed my mind. I suppose it becames inconsequential, and I never said when he told me, I just brushed it off and went on with making dinner like nothing happened. I got upset, and was well within my rights to get upset, but was it enough for me to call off our wedding? Uh, no. Because him telling me his permission had expired didn't make me stop loving him or wanting to spend my life with him. He's very private, and I chalked it up to him not realizing that it was such an important thing to tell me - and he has said as much that he didn't really realize it was a big deal (and even though I'm the know-it-all in the relationship, he's usually the one who is right, and he was this time as well).

Everything I learned about immigration I learned in the days and weeks after he told me. Most people don't care about immigration until it affects them, present company included (as we can easily witness in the K1 or AOS forums).

I didn't post that to put my husband's timing or mine up for trial (though his timing is admittedly bad), but to pose just the question Caladan posed. If I didn't know, because he had a good job with health insurance and paid time off, and lived in a nice apartment and drove a nice car, and didn't "seem" out of status (because, you know, he didn't "look wrong" as illustrated in this thread... ), should I go to jail? Sh!t, I never even supported him, just lived in the same apartment with him. He gave me more financial support than I ever gave him.

So many people think there's an obvious line in the sand between "knowingly" and "unknowingly" but it's really just shades of gray.