Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

[no name 1]

What was the intent of this by the OP'er? Another tedious II debate?

Well, angry noob, this is a site about IMMIGRATION, and legal immigration at that. Anything relevant to immigration usually gets posted.

Edited November 4, 2007 by devilette

[Cassie 8]

Oklahoma is a relatively poor state; their tax dollars should go to those who have the right to be here. Their new law is only allowing their authorities to do what the old federalies should be doing - define and enforce the boundaries between the privileges of citizenship/legal residency and the negative impact of illegality. It's always interesting, tho, how the open borders type immediately equate Latino communities with illegals. I'm hoping that that will become their latest mistake; their first was thinking that marching in the streets with Mexican flags would make Americans roll over. Instead, it woke them up. More power to Oklahoma!

erm, you mind putting some figures out there to back that up? I have a few oil barons and casino owners that may beg to differ

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

What was the intent of this by the OP'er? Another tedious II debate?

Well, angry noob, this is a site about IMMIGRATION, and legal immigration at that. Anything relevant to immigration usually gets posted.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

Remember that when you complain about the infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

Remember that when you complain about the infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights.

how is that related to the topic?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

Remember that when you complain about the infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights.

how is that related to the topic?

It's an appropriate response to your remark that had nothing to do with the topic either.

[peejay 327]

The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties. Not only that, it's making traffic cops in charge of immigration enforcement. Same with holding me prosecutable for my passenger's legal resident status.

Just another half-hearted attempt at trying to resolve a national issue on a local scale...without comprehensive, federal immigration reform, anothing less will be disasterous.

You're missing the boat on this one.

If you have a government issued driver's license from a state that doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens...then it is already a "given" that you are not an illegal alien. Have you ever refused to show a cop your driver's license when pulled over? Did you tell the cop he was infringing on your civil liberties? How far did that fly?

What is comprehensive immigration reform? Amnesty and a free ride for all the illegal aliens that broke into the USA already to clear the slate for the next 20 million to invade by passing more laws that won't be enforced?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

Remember that when you complain about the infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights.

how is that related to the topic?

It's an appropriate response to your remark that had nothing to do with the topic either.

i really fail to see the problem with proving you are a usc or lpr, steven. and just so you know, i usually hand the police my dl and retired id card, along with my cch if i'm packing

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties. Not only that, it's making traffic cops in charge of immigration enforcement. Same with holding me prosecutable for my passenger's legal resident status.

Just another half-hearted attempt at trying to resolve a national issue on a local scale...without comprehensive, federal immigration reform, anothing less will be disasterous.

You're missing the boat on this one.

If you have a government issued driver's license from a state that doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens...then it is already a "given" that you are not an illegal alien. Have you ever refused to show a cop your driver's license when pulled over? Did you tell the cop he was infringing on your civil liberties? How far did that fly?

What is comprehensive immigration reform? Amnesty and a free ride for all the illegal aliens that broke into the USA already to clear the slate for the next 20 million to invade by passing more laws that won't be enforced?

Although I'm rightfully required to prove that I am driving legally in the state, I'm not required to prove to a traffic cop, my citizenship status.

When Jinky arrived here in CA, I looked into the state law requirements and found that she could legally drive here with her license from the PI until she established residency. I can imagine the legal quagmire we could have been potentially in if she had been pulled over by a traffic cop without any proof of legal residency while we were in AOS.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties. Not only that, it's making traffic cops in charge of immigration enforcement. Same with holding me prosecutable for my passenger's legal resident status.

Just another half-hearted attempt at trying to resolve a national issue on a local scale...without comprehensive, federal immigration reform, anothing less will be disasterous.

You're missing the boat on this one.

If you have a government issued driver's license from a state that doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens...then it is already a "given" that you are not an illegal alien. Have you ever refused to show a cop your driver's license when pulled over? Did you tell the cop he was infringing on your civil liberties? How far did that fly?

What is comprehensive immigration reform? Amnesty and a free ride for all the illegal aliens that broke into the USA already to clear the slate for the next 20 million to invade by passing more laws that won't be enforced?

Although I'm rightfully required to prove that I am driving legally in the state, I'm not required to prove to a traffic cop, my citizenship status.

When Jinky arrived here in CA, I looked into the state law requirements and found that she could legally drive here with her license from the PI until she established residency. I can imagine the legal quagmire we could have been potentially in if she had been pulled over by a traffic cop without any proof of legal residency while we were in AOS.

surely you are aware she's supposed to have her passport with the i-94 in it at all times

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties. Not only that, it's making traffic cops in charge of immigration enforcement. Same with holding me prosecutable for my passenger's legal resident status.

Just another half-hearted attempt at trying to resolve a national issue on a local scale...without comprehensive, federal immigration reform, anothing less will be disasterous.

You're missing the boat on this one.

If you have a government issued driver's license from a state that doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens...then it is already a "given" that you are not an illegal alien. Have you ever refused to show a cop your driver's license when pulled over? Did you tell the cop he was infringing on your civil liberties? How far did that fly?

What is comprehensive immigration reform? Amnesty and a free ride for all the illegal aliens that broke into the USA already to clear the slate for the next 20 million to invade by passing more laws that won't be enforced?

Although I'm rightfully required to prove that I am driving legally in the state, I'm not required to prove to a traffic cop, my citizenship status.

When Jinky arrived here in CA, I looked into the state law requirements and found that she could legally drive here with her license from the PI until she established residency. I can imagine the legal quagmire we could have been potentially in if she had been pulled over by a traffic cop without any proof of legal residency while we were in AOS.

surely you are aware she's supposed to have her passport with the i-94 in it at all times

She did carry her passport, but the I-94 had expired after 90 days.

[peejay 327]

The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties. Not only that, it's making traffic cops in charge of immigration enforcement. Same with holding me prosecutable for my passenger's legal resident status.

Just another half-hearted attempt at trying to resolve a national issue on a local scale...without comprehensive, federal immigration reform, anothing less will be disasterous.

You're missing the boat on this one.

If you have a government issued driver's license from a state that doesn't issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens...then it is already a "given" that you are not an illegal alien. Have you ever refused to show a cop your driver's license when pulled over? Did you tell the cop he was infringing on your civil liberties? How far did that fly?

What is comprehensive immigration reform? Amnesty and a free ride for all the illegal aliens that broke into the USA already to clear the slate for the next 20 million to invade by passing more laws that won't be enforced?

Although I'm rightfully required to prove that I am driving legally in the state, I'm not required to prove to a traffic cop, my citizenship status.

When Jinky arrived here in CA, I looked into the state law requirements and found that she could legally drive here with her license from the PI until she established residency. I can imagine the legal quagmire we could have been potentially in if she had been pulled over by a traffic cop without any proof of legal residency while we were in AOS.

Have you ever heard of a NOA on pending benefits?

Let's face it...what the real issue in these debates with you is that you believe that illegal aliens are entitled to be in the USA illegally and that any measure that impinges on that goal is criticized and analyzed to the Nth degree.

[Caladan 19]

Under this law, if USCIS screwed up and rejected your spouse's application, as happens from time to time due to a missed appointment letter, you'd have committed a felony for having knowingly harbored an illegal alien.

Oh...come on now. Anybody with some common sense knows darned well what the intent of the law really is and who the law is going after.

Sure, but what the intent is and what the statute are two different things. The statute says 'knowingly harbor illegal', not 'but it's okay if it's your spouse and it was USCIS's fault your petition was rejected' or 'we didn't have the money to file AOS right away' or 'I wanted to make sure she wasn't using me for a greencard first so I delayed filing a year.'

The kid that was just released after serving two years because when he was 17 his 15 year-old girlfriend gave him a ####### probably would have liked the statute to have been revised when the legislature accidentally made blowjobs (but not sex) between underage people a sex crime, not told 'oh, they won't arrest you, just bad people.'

I don't like laws that depend on people saying 'oh, don't worry, they're not really after you, you're not invading the country, you don't look like the sort they'd arrest', because in my experience, tightening up laws leads not to illegals leaving but lots of people posting that they can't get their legal spouse a driver's license, or a bank account, or a social security number, because they can't prove she's here legally because their AOS hasn't processed and no one knows what that K-1 thingy is. The last thing legal immigrants need on top of this are businesses refusing to allow them to rent or stay in the property because they can't prove they're legally here for the term of a lease.

I've personally been through the "process" from one end to the other. My wife just filed for US citizenship last week. My stepdaughter came here to the USA on a K-2 as an 18 year old adult. At no time during the process did I ever not have any proof that they weren't in the USA legally. In due time we got all the necessary Social Security cards, driver's licenses, bank accounts, credit cards, etc., etc. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt to prove it.

I don't see any problem with the Oklahoma law. It never would have caused me or mine any problems if we had to live under it.

It just pisses off the crowd that thinks anybody that sneaks into the USA on an innertube should be able to live, thrive, and survive illegally with impunity in the USA and that they are untouchable. They can ruminate forever thinking of reasons not to do anything about anything because...the sky will fall and the world will end.

At least some folks aren't sitting around with their heads in the sand waiting for another 20 million illegal aliens to invade.

If you read, I think the part of the law restrict illegals from public benefits makes sense. The rest, however, is not something I'm willing to say 'well, it won't bother me and mine, why should I care?' I think it's a bad law that could affect a lot of people who are here legally as immigrants, not to mention relatives of illegals.

By the way -- carrying a driver's license isn't proof of legal presence. It's relatively easy to secure a driver's license if you have proof that you're here legally, but the license doesn't expire if the person goes out of status. (Four million illegals entered legally.) C. got a license that's good for six years based on the NOA for our AOS, not an approval. If we divorce tomorrow and cancel the AOS, he'll have that driver's license for another six years. They are most certainly *not* asking you for citizenship or legal presence when they ask for your driver's license.

[buckeye6976 0]

I know that I'm no scholar, so can somebody point me to where I can read about who can ask me for what because right now I am feeling kind of, well.....violated. You know people asking about driving licences, proof of insurance, proof to register to vote, show me your passport, show me a birth certificate etc., etc. Also, has anybody successfully used this infringement of liberties approach with USCIS? I'll admit I haven't had the nerve to try it.

[no name 1]

I agree. The idea that I as a U.S. citizen may have to prove my citizenship everytime I'm pulled over by a traffic cop is an infringement on my civil liberties.

you poor thing

That smiley rocks!

Well, angry noob, this is a site about IMMIGRATION, and legal immigration at that. Anything relevant to immigration usually gets posted.

Are you agreeing again, BFF?

Edited November 4, 2007 by devilette