Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

[Alt name 1]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

More states should conduct routine Check points for prrof of Dl & Insurnace

Are you advocating that police just stop people to check if they have a valid license regardless of whether they have broken another law or not? Just asking if that's your position. That would get up people's noses by the way, not just the noses of illegal immigrants.

Were you walking or driving ?

I was driving to go hiking...I know, an oxymoron.

who is advocating a random stop? The OK law provides a requirement for a reason in asking for ID.

[natty bumppo 297]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

More states should conduct routine Check points for prrof of Dl & Insurnace

Are you advocating that police just stop people to check if they have a valid license regardless of whether they have broken another law or not? Just asking if that's your position. That would get up people's noses by the way, not just the noses of illegal immigrants.

Were you walking or driving ?

I was driving to go hiking...I know, an oxymoron.

who is advocating a random stop? The OK law provides a requirement for a reason in asking for ID.

Glad someone besides me mentioned this ... I was waiting

[Marc and Olga 0]

There is a "random" (yet stationary) checkpoint about 30 miles from the border on I-19... there were plans to make an offical check point at mile marker 55 but people complained and the border patrol decided against that. They only check my DL and wave me past, never seen them do more then that in fact, though once when I had past, I noticed a car off to the side by their trailers.

[Caladan 19]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

More states should conduct routine Check points for prrof of Dl & Insurnace

Are you advocating that police just stop people to check if they have a valid license regardless of whether they have broken another law or not? Just asking if that's your position. That would get up people's noses by the way, not just the noses of illegal immigrants.

Were you walking or driving ?

I was driving to go hiking...I know, an oxymoron.

who is advocating a random stop? The OK law provides a requirement for a reason in asking for ID.

Glad someone besides me mentioned this ... I was waiting

What are you going to do after local law enforcement catches them? Put them in the county jail? Make a note of it?

I ask because local law enforcement cannot deport people, so they can spend all their resources rounding them up, but that's all that comes of it without turning them over to ICE. ICE doesn't have the capacity right now, so you can spend all the local money you want on random checkpoints of Hispanics, but it isn't actually going to make the illegals go away.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

More states should conduct routine Check points for prrof of Dl & Insurnace

Are you advocating that police just stop people to check if they have a valid license regardless of whether they have broken another law or not? Just asking if that's your position. That would get up people's noses by the way, not just the noses of illegal immigrants.

Were you walking or driving ?

I was driving to go hiking...I know, an oxymoron.

who is advocating a random stop? The OK law provides a requirement for a reason in asking for ID.

Glad someone besides me mentioned this ... I was waiting

What are you going to do after local law enforcement catches them? Put them in the county jail? Make a note of it?

I ask because local law enforcement cannot deport people, so they can spend all their resources rounding them up, but that's all that comes of it without turning them over to ICE. ICE doesn't have the capacity right now, so you can spend all the local money you want on random checkpoints of Hispanics, but it isn't actually going to make the illegals go away.

Wasn't this what happened with that gang killing in Newark a few months back - where the statement of the police captain that his force "can't do the work of DHS" was met with scorn and derision?

[Caladan 19]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

As I remember my getting an SSN was contingent on my possessing my original EAD card. I'm guessing they wouldn't have taken it away if for some reason or another I were to have lost my immigration privileges or gone out of status.

[Caladan 19]

Nope, it's yours for life, even if you join the circus, tour the UK, and come back and replace Laurie on House.

[Marc and Olga 0]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

How are tourist treated on a 90-day stay?

Olga was able to apply for (and get) a SSN and once she had that, Arizona reluctantly gave her a State issued ID card that expired when her I-94 expired. Her current ID card expires when her conditional Green Card expires.

[natty bumppo 297]

How are tourist treated on a 90-day stay?

Olga was able to apply for (and get) a SSN and once she had that, Arizona reluctantly gave her a State issued ID card that expired when her I-94 expired. Her current ID card expires when her conditional Green Card expires.

Like a tourist ...

They are not a resident ... they are a visitor. Passport and/or visa ... I-94 and DL from their country permits them to drive.

SSN ... good luck. ITIN ... submit the forms ... and pay taxes.

[no name 1]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

They do those in Ohio as well. Completely legal!

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

Soprry, did I mention an SSN as proof of living anywhere?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

They do those in Ohio as well. Completely legal!

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

Soprry, did I mention an SSN as proof of living anywhere?

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument...

Edited November 7, 2007 by Number 6

[no name 1]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

They do those in Ohio as well. Completely legal!

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

Soprry, did I mention an SSN as proof of living anywhere?

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument...

Was I talking to you? Sure wasn't.

And it completely invalidates the argument I was debating anyhow, as IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED.

Edited November 7, 2007 by devilette

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not so Louisiana, they set up roadblocks and random checkpoints for DWI, that law hasbeen challenged and been ruled constitutional, and it applies to the good ole boys coming home from LSU/Saints football games, BBQ's, Saturday night dancing, etc. Why shouldnt there be random checkpoints for illegal aliens? I sort of like the idea. Especially in Texas, Ok, Ca, Arizona, NM.....in say areas where they are more concentrated?

They do those in Ohio as well. Completely legal!

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

Reading comprehension yourself. A social security number does not require proof of residency. You can activate your visa, be in the state all of 2 days, have paid no taxes, and get a SSN. It's not dependent on residency (which often takes several months of an address and paying taxes.)

K-1s aren't addressed under the state law; if they were, they likely would be state residents (and thus able to get driver's licenses.) At the CT DMV, a K-1 was treated like a tourist on a 90-day stay. An AOS pending person was counted as a resident, but not a K-1.

Soprry, did I mention an SSN as proof of living anywhere?

Whether you mentioned it or not - it doesn't invalidate the argument...

Was I talking to you? Sure wasn't.

And it completely invalidates the argument I was debating anyhow, as IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED.

I don't care whether you were talking to me or not - public forum and all that

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not - she is right about Social Security Numbers and the legal designation of "residency" as it applies to different visa classifications.

[no name 1]

Was I talking to you? Sure wasn't.

And it completely invalidates the argument I was debating anyhow, as IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED.

I don't care whether you were talking to me or not - public forum and all that

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not - she is right about Social Security Numbers and the legal designation of "residency" as it applies to different visa classifications.

I am well aware of what a public forum is. It doesn't mean you have to reply to every single post anyone makes that dares go against you.

And I REPEAT - for those of you who are reading comprehension challenged here on VJ - she replied to me, yet nowhere did I mention SSNs AT ALL, let alone as proof of residency.

You just can't stay out of any debate, can you? What a bully.

Edited November 7, 2007 by devilette