Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

[kerewin21 2]

Did you see "The Onion" article about the ACLU? It was titled, ACLU defends KKK's right to burn down their building.

But seriously, I don't think the military is fighting for our right to burn the flag, denounce the military and its generals, or denounce the president.

Ooops, I had it wrong, it was the Nazis not the KKK.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39182

i'm glad to know you think the military isn't fighting to protect your rights and way of life. only lawyers can do that.

I think they are fighting to protect many of my rights, but not those. They are protecting our country and allowing us to keep living as we are accustomed. In terms of *civil* rights, though, that is indeed the province of lawyers, since they come from our Constitution. The military certainly isn't positioned to defend abstract rights like the right to free speech, assembly. The sacrifices of our military allow us to continue with our rule of law, which by definition involves lawyers.

[natty bumppo 297]

Did you see "The Onion" article about the ACLU? It was titled, ACLU defends KKK's right to burn down their building.

But seriously, I don't think the military is fighting for our right to burn the flag, denounce the military and its generals, or denounce the president.

Ooops, I had it wrong, it was the Nazis not the KKK.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39182

i'm glad to know you think the military isn't fighting to protect your rights and way of life. only lawyers can do that.

I think they are fighting to protect many of my rights, but not those. They are protecting our country and allowing us to keep living as we are accustomed. In terms of *civil* rights, though, that is indeed the province of lawyers, since they come from our Constitution. The military certainly isn't positioned to defend abstract rights like the right to free speech, assembly. The sacrifices of our military allow us to continue with our rule of law, which by definition involves lawyers.

Ohh ... thought ...

Let's let the military secure the Southern Border ... with extreme predjuice....cross and die ...

I like this ....

[no name 1]

Oye, try to follow the logic. I am a U.S. Citizen. I am also legally licensed to drive in my state. If I get pulled over by a traffic cop, I'm not required to prove my citizenship to that cop. All I'm required to do is show him that I'm legally licensed to drive. My citizenship status has diddley squat to do with my legal ability to drive in this state - according to the DMV. If I'm visiting from another country and legally licensed there, I can legally drive here. In the case of my wife, from the time she was out of status (AOS process) until she received her Green Card, she had no legal proof that she was here legally. We had our marriage license and her NOA1 but really, she was in effect, out of status. She could have been later denied AOS.

As stated several times throughout this thread that we have to be careful that we're not creating laws and a bureaucracy that would further complicate our own immigration or infringe on our civil liberties as legal residents.

These laws will be thrown out as unconstitutional and they should be.

and your ... I'm guessing CA DL required something to prove you were eligable ? (I hope so ...)

Your DL may be the solution ... so whats the problem ?

Citizenship ... or legal status ... what is the issue ???

Here is the link ... I won't post it all because .... well you should know this ...

CA Requirements

The situation I've demonstrated - my wife being out of status but driving within the legal confines of California law using her Philippines DL. It doesn't take that much foresight to see the potential legal problems both my wife and I could be in if we were driving within the state of OK. Her resident status has nothing to do with whether she can drive here legally.

If you are a visitor in California over 18 and have a valid driver license from your home state or country, you may drive in this state without getting a California driver license as long as your home state license remains valid.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

She took up residence ... she moved here ... yes ??

"If you take a job here or become a resident, you must get a California driver license within 10 days. Residency is established by voting in a California election, paying resident tuition, filing for a homeowner's property tax exemption, or any other privilege or benefit not ordinarily extended to nonresidents."

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

Your argument holds no water Steven, sorry.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Oye, try to follow the logic. I am a U.S. Citizen. I am also legally licensed to drive in my state. If I get pulled over by a traffic cop, I'm not required to prove my citizenship to that cop. All I'm required to do is show him that I'm legally licensed to drive. My citizenship status has diddley squat to do with my legal ability to drive in this state - according to the DMV. If I'm visiting from another country and legally licensed there, I can legally drive here. In the case of my wife, from the time she was out of status (AOS process) until she received her Green Card, she had no legal proof that she was here legally. We had our marriage license and her NOA1 but really, she was in effect, out of status. She could have been later denied AOS.

As stated several times throughout this thread that we have to be careful that we're not creating laws and a bureaucracy that would further complicate our own immigration or infringe on our civil liberties as legal residents.

These laws will be thrown out as unconstitutional and they should be.

and your ... I'm guessing CA DL required something to prove you were eligable ? (I hope so ...)

Your DL may be the solution ... so whats the problem ?

Citizenship ... or legal status ... what is the issue ???

Here is the link ... I won't post it all because .... well you should know this ...

CA Requirements

The situation I've demonstrated - my wife being out of status but driving within the legal confines of California law using her Philippines DL. It doesn't take that much foresight to see the potential legal problems both my wife and I could be in if we were driving within the state of OK. Her resident status has nothing to do with whether she can drive here legally.

If you are a visitor in California over 18 and have a valid driver license from your home state or country, you may drive in this state without getting a California driver license as long as your home state license remains valid.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

She took up residence ... she moved here ... yes ??

"If you take a job here or become a resident, you must get a California driver license within 10 days. Residency is established by voting in a California election, paying resident tuition, filing for a homeowner's property tax exemption, or any other privilege or benefit not ordinarily extended to nonresidents."

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

Your argument holds no water Steven, sorry.

Look at the defintions of establishing residency - none of them applied to my foreign spouse until she was approved for her Green Card. Believe me, I look thoroughly into whether she could legally drive here or not. A K-1 is a non-immigrant Visa, good for only 90 days from POE. After those 90 days, the foreigner is out of status, although not illegal. In terms of California Law, Jinky was a foreign visitor here (not a legal resident) until her AOS approval and according to CA DMV laws, legally able to drive with her Philippines license. I'm willing to bet lunch on that.

[no name 1]

Oye, try to follow the logic. I am a U.S. Citizen. I am also legally licensed to drive in my state. If I get pulled over by a traffic cop, I'm not required to prove my citizenship to that cop. All I'm required to do is show him that I'm legally licensed to drive. My citizenship status has diddley squat to do with my legal ability to drive in this state - according to the DMV. If I'm visiting from another country and legally licensed there, I can legally drive here. In the case of my wife, from the time she was out of status (AOS process) until she received her Green Card, she had no legal proof that she was here legally. We had our marriage license and her NOA1 but really, she was in effect, out of status. She could have been later denied AOS.

As stated several times throughout this thread that we have to be careful that we're not creating laws and a bureaucracy that would further complicate our own immigration or infringe on our civil liberties as legal residents.

These laws will be thrown out as unconstitutional and they should be.

and your ... I'm guessing CA DL required something to prove you were eligable ? (I hope so ...)

Your DL may be the solution ... so whats the problem ?

Citizenship ... or legal status ... what is the issue ???

Here is the link ... I won't post it all because .... well you should know this ...

CA Requirements

The situation I've demonstrated - my wife being out of status but driving within the legal confines of California law using her Philippines DL. It doesn't take that much foresight to see the potential legal problems both my wife and I could be in if we were driving within the state of OK. Her resident status has nothing to do with whether she can drive here legally.

If you are a visitor in California over 18 and have a valid driver license from your home state or country, you may drive in this state without getting a California driver license as long as your home state license remains valid.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

She took up residence ... she moved here ... yes ??

"If you take a job here or become a resident, you must get a California driver license within 10 days. Residency is established by voting in a California election, paying resident tuition, filing for a homeowner's property tax exemption, or any other privilege or benefit not ordinarily extended to nonresidents."

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

Your argument holds no water Steven, sorry.

Look at the defintions of establishing residency - none of them applied to my foreign spouse until she was approved for her Green Card. Believe me, I look thoroughly into whether she could legally drive here or not. A K-1 is a non-immigrant Visa, good for only 90 days from POE. After those 90 days, the foreigner is out of status, although not illegal. In terms of California Law, Jinky was a foreign visitor here (not a legal resident) until her AOS approval and according to CA DMV laws, legally able to drive with her Philippines license. I'm willing to bet lunch on that.

You think I didn't look too?

If I had time I would dig for a link, but I know you are supposed to carry proof of filing - your NOA1 - until you are a PR. Did Jinky?

I'd bet that if Jinky was stopped & questioned, by being married to a USC, that automatically makes her a resident. She came here on a fiance visa, and got married AND LIVE. What part of that is non-resident? The term resident has nothing to do with legal/illegal. She is a resident in CA, period.

res·i·dent [rez-i-duhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. a person who resides in a place.

2. a physician who joins the medical staff of a hospital as a salaried employee for a specified period to gain advanced training usually in a particular field, being in full-time attendance at the hospital and often living on the premises.

3. a diplomatic representative, inferior in rank to an ambassador, residing at a foreign court.

4. (formerly) a representative of the British governor general at a native court in India.

5. (formerly) the governor of a residency in the Dutch East Indies.

–adjective

6. residing; dwelling in a place.

Edited November 6, 2007 by devilette

[Caladan 19]

Oye, try to follow the logic. I am a U.S. Citizen. I am also legally licensed to drive in my state. If I get pulled over by a traffic cop, I'm not required to prove my citizenship to that cop. All I'm required to do is show him that I'm legally licensed to drive. My citizenship status has diddley squat to do with my legal ability to drive in this state - according to the DMV. If I'm visiting from another country and legally licensed there, I can legally drive here. In the case of my wife, from the time she was out of status (AOS process) until she received her Green Card, she had no legal proof that she was here legally. We had our marriage license and her NOA1 but really, she was in effect, out of status. She could have been later denied AOS.

As stated several times throughout this thread that we have to be careful that we're not creating laws and a bureaucracy that would further complicate our own immigration or infringe on our civil liberties as legal residents.

These laws will be thrown out as unconstitutional and they should be.

and your ... I'm guessing CA DL required something to prove you were eligable ? (I hope so ...)

Your DL may be the solution ... so whats the problem ?

Citizenship ... or legal status ... what is the issue ???

Here is the link ... I won't post it all because .... well you should know this ...

CA Requirements

The situation I've demonstrated - my wife being out of status but driving within the legal confines of California law using her Philippines DL. It doesn't take that much foresight to see the potential legal problems both my wife and I could be in if we were driving within the state of OK. Her resident status has nothing to do with whether she can drive here legally.

If you are a visitor in California over 18 and have a valid driver license from your home state or country, you may drive in this state without getting a California driver license as long as your home state license remains valid.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

She took up residence ... she moved here ... yes ??

"If you take a job here or become a resident, you must get a California driver license within 10 days. Residency is established by voting in a California election, paying resident tuition, filing for a homeowner's property tax exemption, or any other privilege or benefit not ordinarily extended to nonresidents."

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm

Your argument holds no water Steven, sorry.

Look at the defintions of establishing residency - none of them applied to my foreign spouse until she was approved for her Green Card. Believe me, I look thoroughly into whether she could legally drive here or not. A K-1 is a non-immigrant Visa, good for only 90 days from POE. After those 90 days, the foreigner is out of status, although not illegal. In terms of California Law, Jinky was a foreign visitor here (not a legal resident) until her AOS approval and according to CA DMV laws, legally able to drive with her Philippines license. I'm willing to bet lunch on that.

Connecticut's lacuna was similar. Foreign residents have 30 days to get a license once establishing residency. But a K-1 didn't count as establishing residency, even if he was residing here. So he didn't have a way to get a license, but technically, he was no longer a visitor by any other definition of the word. (CT is a little saner than CA; they gave him a license with his NOA1, once it showed up. Less freaking out over illegals here.) We ended up deciding that I'd insure the car, and he'd drive on his Canadian license, and if they had a problem with it, they could write a proper law.

And come on, people. If a driver's license proved your citizenship, we'd have no need for passports.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

And come on, people. If a driver's license proved your citizenship, we'd have no need for passports.

did you forget that passports are only needed for visiting a foreign country......

[Caladan 19]

And come on, people. If a driver's license proved your citizenship, we'd have no need for passports.

did you forget that passports are only needed for visiting a foreign country......

Exactly. If driver's licenses proved citizenship, you wouldn't need a passport to travel abroad.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Look at the defintions of establishing residency - none of them applied to my foreign spouse until she was approved for her Green Card. Believe me, I look thoroughly into whether she could legally drive here or not. A K-1 is a non-immigrant Visa, good for only 90 days from POE. After those 90 days, the foreigner is out of status, although not illegal. In terms of California Law, Jinky was a foreign visitor here (not a legal resident) until her AOS approval and according to CA DMV laws, legally able to drive with her Philippines license. I'm willing to bet lunch on that.

from the link:

If you take a job here or become a resident, you must get a California driver license within 10 days. Residency is established by voting in a California election, paying resident tuition, filing for a homeowner's property tax exemption, or any other privilege or benefit not ordinarily extended to nonresidents.

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jinky was eligible to work with a temporary ead.

so what's the problem again?

eta: she got a ssn number right? that isn't extended to nonresidents is it?

And come on, people. If a driver's license proved your citizenship, we'd have no need for passports.

did you forget that passports are only needed for visiting a foreign country......

Exactly. If driver's licenses proved citizenship, you wouldn't need a passport to travel abroad.

they prove to the other government our citizenship. as for a dl within the usa, it depends on the state.

i've got plenty of documentation to prove i'm a usc without even digging out the birth certificate

Edited November 6, 2007 by charlesandnessa

[Caladan 19]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

[no name 1]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

[Caladan 19]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

[no name 1]

A social security number can be extended to non-residents. F-1s, H-1Bs, lots of things.

And under those visas, you ARE a resident, however temporary!

Not according to immigration you aren't. All of those visas are non-immigrant. Whether you're a resident of the state is a separate matter (the two don't always line up nicely.)

perhaps so regarding immigration, but state law regarding residency is usually a bit less restrictive. imo jinky is resident.

and an overseas worker here on an H-1B/J-1 RESIDES here in America. Pays taxes & all that #######.....See previous definition post.

VJ reading comprehension, sheesh. (Not directed at you, BFF)

[Nessa 23]

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