Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

I for one would be extremely pi$$ed if I got pulled for something as simple as not wearing my seat belt and was asked my immigration status.

Let's see...you're not pissed off if they ask for your license for driving without a belt, but the sky is falling on your head if you are asked your residency status on the same traffic stop. You better not travel in the USA near the border because that is exactly what happens at interior US Border Patrol checkpoints well past the border in Texas.

As for me...I'm more pissed off that there are 20 million illegal aliens in my country with more arriving every day and nobody has the nuts to do anything about it. Nothing but "poor me" I live in a police state stories.

Thank You! Well Stated.

[SMOKE 1,426]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

slippery slope.....

Look, am I happy that there are people here illegally? No, not really. Do I wish law enforcement got their butts in gear and do what they were supposed to do before this law had to come to pass? Heck yes.

i'm with you...but, somebody had to do something. doing nothing sure wasn't working.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

[Peikko 1,575]

Some people wouldn't know an 'extreme left wing' view if it were to knock them on the head. labeling in lieu of providing an effective counter argument, priceless.

so Oklahoma tring to protect its socail services for those that have a right to them causes racial profiling, the falling dollar, global warming, and what else?

Let's just stick with racial profiling as that particular shoe fits.

[SMOKE 1,426]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

yes, it was directed at you....by constantly telling me & other who don't agree w/ you, that we are wrong & that "right minded" & "correct thinking" people feel "this" way....and no, i don't feel threatened by you.

labeling in lieu of providing an effective counter argument, priceless.

no mirrors in your house huh?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Which brings us full circle. You don't think having to establish your legality is a problem, because you are not constantly required to do so. Some people are, thanks to the non existent racial profiling that goes on.

so Oklahoma tring to protect its socail services for those that have a right to them causes racial profiling, the falling dollar, global warming, and what else?

Unless the law comes with some sort of protections to stop negative profiling and discrimination from happening - do you really think its such a leap to suggest creating the same circumstances that have caused problems elsewhere is at least likely to cause the same

Here's the analogy for that little chestnut. After watching several people try and fail to build a house on a foundation of sand you think its perfectly ok to do likewise and expect it to succeed.

What you don't realise is that even if you get the house up - it doesn't change the fact that the foundation is inerhently unsound...

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

yes, it was directed at you....by constantly telling me & other who don't agree w/ you, that we are wrong & that "right minded" & "correct thinking" people feel "this" way....and no, i don't feel threatened by you.

labeling in lieu of providing an effective counter argument, priceless.

no mirrors in your house huh?

Mike,

Can you please argue your points without making it personal?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

yes, it was directed at you....by constantly telling me & other who don't agree w/ you, that we are wrong & that "right minded" & "correct thinking" people feel "this" way....and no, i don't feel threatened by you.

Glad to see that you're applying political labels to me based on my actual positions on a range of issues and not mere personal dislike

And I didn't say "threatened by me" I said "threatened by a forum discussion". And clearly you are - if you think that people are trying to "impose beliefs" on you. I haven't done any such thing - I merely stated my opinion, which you responded to with abject ridicule. I suggest you go back and read my post again (you won't of course).

[SMOKE 1,426]

Mike,

Can you please argue your points without making it personal?

ok sorry everyone...but, i'm not the only one w/ a personal tone in here.

Edited November 5, 2007 by tapout

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

yes, it was directed at you....by constantly telling me & other who don't agree w/ you, that we are wrong & that "right minded" & "correct thinking" people feel "this" way....and no, i don't feel threatened by you.

Glad to see that you're applying political labels to me based on my actual positions on a range of issues and not mere personal dislike

And I didn't say "threatened by me" I said "threatened by a forum discussion". And clearly you are - if you think that people are trying to "impose beliefs" on you. I haven't done any such thing - I merely stated my opinion, which you responded to with abject ridicule. I suggest you go back and read my post again (you won't of course).

YADA YADA YADA

POINT IS Illegals and their advocates are launching all-out assault on USA for enforcing it's laws. It has nothing to do with human rights or freedoms, or racial profiling, You break the law you pay the price.

If the Illegals don't like to hide in the shjadows and don't like to live in fear then they should self deport & Get The F*@K OUT.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Mike,

Can you please argue your points without making it personal?

ok sorry everyone...but, i'm not the only one w/ a personal tone in here.

Not to be childish - but keeping within the tone of discussion thus far - you did start it

[Cassie 8]

You may accept the loss of personal freedoms for 'the greater good' but most people aren't that keen on th idea...I wonder why?

IMO & the state of Oklahomas. showing ID doesn't quite count as a loss of personal freedoms.

What does, in "your opinion"?

extreme lefters pathetic attempt to emposse their beliefs upon me.

Assuming that the phrase "extreme lefter" is directed at me (or not - it really doesn't matter), how exactly are people here trying to "impose" their beliefs on you?

Is a forum discussion really that threatening to you?

yes, it was directed at you....by constantly telling me & other who don't agree w/ you, that we are wrong & that "right minded" & "correct thinking" people feel "this" way....and no, i don't feel threatened by you.

Glad to see that you're applying political labels to me based on my actual positions on a range of issues and not mere personal dislike

And I didn't say "threatened by me" I said "threatened by a forum discussion". And clearly you are - if you think that people are trying to "impose beliefs" on you. I haven't done any such thing - I merely stated my opinion, which you responded to with abject ridicule. I suggest you go back and read my post again (you won't of course).

YADA YADA YADA

POINT IS Illegals and their advocates are launching all-out assault on USA for enforcing it's laws. It has nothing to do with human rights or freedoms, or racial profiling, You break the law you pay the price.

If the Illegals don't like to hide in the shjadows and don't like to live in fear then they should self deport & Get The F*@K OUT.

you mind toning down on the swearing? We get your point without it, trust me

[SMOKE 1,426]

Mike,

Can you please argue your points without making it personal?

ok sorry everyone...but, i'm not the only one w/ a personal tone in here.

Not to be childish - but keeping within the tone of discussion thus far - you did start it

*sticks tongue out at #6*

[Peikko 1,575]

The people who are pissed off with racial profiling are those legal, non criminal US citizens who are disproportionately stopped, questioned, arrested because they look 'wrong'. It happens and it more than just a little annoying to those it happens to.

[Cassie 8]

Mike,

Can you please argue your points without making it personal?

ok sorry everyone...but, i'm not the only one w/ a personal tone in here.

Not to be childish - but keeping within the tone of discussion thus far - you did start it

*sticks tongue out at #6*

:lol: